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Re: back to poker

Postby Andy on Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:12 am

steve wrote:Yeah everybody's been talking about it. The thing about GTO play is that it doesn't maximally exploit specific opponents, which is a big part of poker playing, so there are certain people who dismiss it, but the biggest long-term winners in every discipline are all trying to execute GTO play as a baseline.


But isn't the concern here that while expert player human X may beat a specific human A, robot Y may not beat human A, but is statistically going to come out ahead of humans A, B, C and D? You're not going to use the robot at the WSOP, but you'll use it on multiple websites and keep a winning average.

When everyone has a bot on their computers that plays for them at PokerWhatever.com, will it all just be bots playing against other bots?
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Re: back to poker

Postby andteater on Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:16 am

Andy wrote:
steve wrote:Yeah everybody's been talking about it. The thing about GTO play is that it doesn't maximally exploit specific opponents, which is a big part of poker playing, so there are certain people who dismiss it, but the biggest long-term winners in every discipline are all trying to execute GTO play as a baseline.


But isn't the concern here that while expert player human X may beat a specific human A, robot Y may not beat human A, but is statistically going to come out ahead of humans A, B, C and D? You're not going to use the robot at the WSOP, but you'll use it on multiple websites and keep a winning average.

When everyone has a bot on their computers that plays for them at PokerWhatever.com, will it all just be bots playing against other bots?


not really.

this "bot" has figured out a way to beat Heads Up Limit Holdem. that means against any other opponent (opponent being the key term, as he can only play one person) he will, at worst, break even.

creating a bot that will beat multiple players in a game like No Limit Holdem (which is still the game of choice by most poker players) is a lot more difficult. in addition to the increased number of opponents, the fact that every action (specifically, bets) are sized differently would make creating a unbeatable bot ridiculously difficult.

there are bots out there right now and i'm sure they win at a decent rate, but there is no way to create one now for a full ring game that will beat everybody. too many combinations of potential action to account for.

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Re: back to poker

Postby Flaneur on Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:15 pm

Annoyed by Hellmuth as much as anyone, but this podcast interview with Brian Koppelman is a good listen.
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Re: back to poker

Postby righthanded on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:07 am

It looks like FM Oscillator is in $10k H.O.R.S.E. after 2 days (event #63). 20 players remain.
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Re: back to poker

Postby atomjackfuser on Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:10 pm

I dig Grantland, but I'd prefer my verdict from the real thing.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/mississippi-grind-poker-movies/?ex_cid=story-twitter
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Re: back to poker

Postby seanurban on Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:16 pm

this guy?
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Re: back to poker

Postby Jodi S. on Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:00 am

Why make a movie that feels like California Split, when you can just watch California Split?
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Re: back to poker

Postby chairman_hall on Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:00 pm

Been playing a lot of HORSE and Razz online where I can, love me some of that. And also watching poker streams on Twitch.
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Re: back to poker

Postby Jodi S. on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:08 pm

chairman_hall wrote:Been playing a lot of HORSE


Much to my surprise, I have been playing HORSE (not online, though) a lot this past year, as well as stud. It was sort of a fluke, but I'm doing much better than I expected.
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Re: back to poker

Postby Devin D. Dixon on Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:00 pm

I played a 10/20 HORSE game out here. Folded every stud hand except the time I had to bring it in with rolled-up trip 4's. Folded every razz hand except the time I was dealt (A2)5. Folded every stud8 hand except the time I was dealt (3h 2h) Ah 5h 5s 7d (7h) and scooped a three-way capped river. I played every O8 hand with an ace in it, and mostly just played regular multi-way pot low-stakes LHE. I made an absurd amount of money in 6 hours. Like 45 BB's, despite basically just bleeding antes in the stud games. Never really took a beat in O8, though I did get scoops counterfeit when a dumb-dumb kept outdrawing my lows with his terrible low-only draws. So funny to watch a guy in a heads-up pot check-call $20 just hoping to get $10 of it back. Total dopes.
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Re: back to poker

Postby andteater on Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:49 pm

Devin,

Where is this game and what time does it start and can I sleep on your floor for a couple of days?

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Re: back to poker

Postby mookie1010 on Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:04 pm

I've played hold 'em informally with friends and family and also on apps and shit for a couple of years, and I never really took it seriously. I love playing, but I've never really thought much about it unless the opportunity to play was right in front of me. Played a few cash games in Oklahoma and Calgary and did OK. I've always wanted to get better, but you know - 2 kids, a job and a lot of family obligations, etc. keeps me from having tons of free time.

This week, I had the week off because I'd accrued a lot of time over the year that I needed to use. My wife owns her own business and couldn't really take time off, so I had the choice of either doing a bunch of shit around the house that needed to get done or fuck off and do fun shit. I split the difference and fixed some things Monday, Wednesday and Today, and drove up to the casino to enter the cheap daily hold 'em tournament Tuesday and Thursday.

Tuesday, there were about 85 entrants and I lasted a few hours till the blinds caught up with me. I was nervous as hell, played several hands really poorly and wound up in the top 25. I considered this a total success. The casino gave a ton of promotional rewards, so I was playing for free basically after just winning and cashing out a few bucks here and there on roulette.

Yesterday, I played very conservatively and paid attention to the aggressive players, trying to take advantage of them specifically. It worked - I busted out at least 5 players by waiting the game out. It was tough - I folded a couple of hands that other players might have played, but I wound up staying in the game and took down a few hands late for a couple of pretty big pots.

In the end, I lost 4 consecutive blinds which were very expensive. I had about 30K in chips and lost or folded 18K total because I had total shit. I was coming up on blinds again when I picked up King and 10 of hearts and decided to shove since that was about as good as I could expect to see in the next three hands - at least that was my rationale after irritating the table thinking about it. I lost. But I wound up in 9th place out of a field of 95, which I consider to be a great result for my second tournament experience. I mean, there are days where finishing that high will win decent money.

I say all this to ask for advice on what the best current resources are on honing your skills. I know for sure that reading the board and knowing what all outs there are is a weakness for me. I'm pretty good at figuring out what people are prone to betting after a bit at the table. A couple of years ago I picked up one of those "hold 'em for dummies" books because they're cheap and at least a jumping off point, but I'd love advice on what you guys use.
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Re: back to poker

Postby El Protoolio on Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:28 pm

An AI finally beat humans at poker. Skynet is now active and aware.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/machine-beats-humans-for-the-first-time-in-poker/
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Re: back to poker

Postby andteater on Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:37 pm

the first few pages of this thread are so innocent.
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Re: back to poker

Postby steve on Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Absolutely fantastic HU NLHE grudge match on Twitch right now. Cate Hall, a feminist ex-lawyer turned poker pro is playing Mike Dentale, a goomba musclebro Trumper in a series of freeze-outs for $15,000 each, quitting when somebody wins two.

https://www.twitch.tv/pokernighttv

Sean Deeb and Doug Polk are doing commentary, two very smart and engaging players. Chat stream pretty dumb so go ahead and put it on full screen.
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Re: back to poker

Postby steve on Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:11 pm

She wrecked him first set, as predicted and preferred.
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Re: back to poker

Postby free meat on Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:35 pm

The turd in the purple is a right prick. It's nice seeing him lose and struggle to take it.
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Re: back to poker

Postby seanurban on Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:03 am

steve wrote:She wrecked him first set, as predicted and preferred.

I missed the stream, and never met either player, but he had no chance. After he got caught colluding in a satellite and attempted to justify it, I knew exactly how this would go.

Grudge matches are good for the game. I almost issued a challenge to some donk at my Omaha table today. He didn't like the way I played :kd :3s :7h :4c and took it very personally.
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Re: back to poker

Postby andteater on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:04 am

seanurban wrote:
steve wrote:She wrecked him first set, as predicted and preferred.

I missed the stream, and never met either player, but he had no chance. After he got caught colluding in a satellite and attempted to justify it, I knew exactly how this would go.

Grudge matches are good for the game. I almost issued a challenge to some donk at my Omaha table today. He didn't like the way I played :kd :3s :7h :4c and took it very personally.


I don't know how you played that hand, but I can tell you that I already agree with him.
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Re: back to poker

Postby seanurban on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:15 am

Do I have my first challenger?
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