home studios equipment staff/friends booking/rates for sale forum contact

place: Titty Bars

Vote and debate.

Moderators: kerble, Electrical-Staff

place: titty bars

crap
72
64%
not crap
41
36%
 
Total votes : 113

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Andy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:30 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote:I can't think of a more depressing, and degrading occupation than having to strut around a bar half naked, in order to satisfy a mans sexual impulse. I imagine very few people would choose to do it if there were no money involved. Just think if your mother, sister, girlfriend etc, took up that job, I think you'd feel somewhat different about the whole thing.


They're not typically "half naked."

Why is it more degrading to satisfy someone else's sexual impulses than, say, serving someone lattes?

"You think I sell my body / I merely sell my time." Isn't that the case for all of us?
User avatar
Andy
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
 
Posts: 2855
Joined: Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:04 pm
Location: 815

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Trad on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:37 pm

The last time I went to a strip club, a dancer came down and grabbed ice cubes out of my brandy old fashioned, circled her nipples with the ice cubes, and then put them back in my drink. Hey, thanks for the tub of Glitterschlager, Courtney.

All wasn't lost. She then came by after her performance and bought me a new drink and then talked my ear off about Slipknot, all while telling me she was eighteen numerous times.

After that happened, I sat down a few rows back and my cousin, whom I had no idea was there too, tapped me on the back, we high fived, and he then proceeded to buy me many lap dances and beverages.

My phone buzzed for an hour or two solid while I was there, then I went home and told my then girlfriend about Courtney and my brandy old fashioned.
Trad
Heaven-Sent Hero
Heaven-Sent Hero
 
Posts: 6556
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:26 pm
Location: Hell Hole

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Andy Est En Feu on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:38 pm

It probably won't surprise you that I'm not a fan of wage labour either. But I suppose there's a continuum here, and as someone who used to serve lattes I can tell you that I'd rather do that than have some scumbag giving me money for drooling over parts of my anatomy. And what's more, I don't think we need a poll to prove that that would be the case for most people.
Andy Est En Feu
lardner
lardner
 
Posts: 169
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:19 pm

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Andy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:43 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote:It probably won't surprise you that I'm not a fan of wage labour either. But I suppose there's a continuum here, and as someone who used to serve lattes I can tell you that I'd rather do that than have some scumbag giving me money for drooling over parts of my anatomy. And what's more, I don't think we need a poll to prove that that would be the case for most people.


So what I read here is that if person A enjoys looking at person B's anatomy, then person A is a scumbag? Is that only in person that the A->B appreciation is an indicator of scumbaggery? Or can it be done from afar? May I say "damn is Christina Hendricks / Mike Rowe hot" without being tagged a scumbag?

Whom may we acceptably lust after?
User avatar
Andy
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
 
Posts: 2855
Joined: Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:04 pm
Location: 815

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Antero on Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:40 am

Andy Est En Feu wrote:I imagine very few people would choose to do it if there were no money involved.

I mean... yeah, that applies to most jobs.
Is you crazy baby, I gots to grind
Antero
World's Greatest Lover
World's Greatest Lover
 
Posts: 11392
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 8:54 am
Location: Hustle City, CA

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Nina on Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:56 am

Andy Est En Feu wrote:It's perverse to me that pornography or this type of 'profession' is considered a legitimate field to go in to. The fact that these places exist, and that pornography is a valid commodity to be sold in a free-market reveals a pathology about modern society that I find very disturbing.




Talk about pathology. Here in California, the most powerful political lobby is the prison guards union. They lobby for more prisons, with more people in them. They give politicians money, and in exchange, politicians make things illegal, make "crimes" carry mandatory sentences, they structure society to guarantee that certain numbers (and each year these numbers must go up) of people are locked up in prisons. This means they suffer. The more people suffer, the happier the prison guards are, and the better their lobbyists feel about themselves.
Then there's the private prison industry. You can buy stock in it. When you own this stock, you have a chance to make some real money. Dividend payments. When you've invested in prisons, you want as many people as possible utilizing your prisons. Lets say that 10 percent of the population is currently behind bars. Fortunately for you, crime is going up. You hope it goes way up. They more people who's lives are ruined, the more cushy your retirement. I'm not given to moralizing. But I will now. Because I think a private, for-profit prison industry is one of the most immoral things imaginable. Chicks dancing around at titty bars simply can't compare.

You know, other people make comfortable livings by hanging around high schools, trying to con 17 year-olds into joining the army. They tell these teenagers a bunch of lies to get them to sign up. Then they teach them a hundred and ten different ways to kill, and send them to some foreign country, where they have to watch the guy they played poker with last night blow the guts out of a seven year old girl because he thought she was something else, or he thought too much, or maybe he just blows his own legs off. That would be a bad idea, though, because the chances are very good that once he finally gets out of the army he will be homeless, and being homeless with no legs sucks. Especially when the GI bill that was going to get him through college never materializes, due to a technicality somewhere. The recruiter who is responsible for all this is a pretty enlightened, pretty colorblind guy. Like most of us, these days. You know. Not racist. That's why he doesn't mind working in the inner city high schools. It's easier to sucker people in down there. Helps him make payments on the Hummer.

But all things considered, I think being a professional interrogator might be the most intense. Water-boarding people for a living must be like waking up and riding Space Mountain first thing each morning. Can you believe this civilization we are a part of pays college graduates to water board strangers, regardless of their race?

Another pathology disguised as real work is the Pharmaceutical salesman. They give out free samples of drugs which are legal only because their company once employed the character who is currently the head of the FDA. That's why clinical testing isn't given much weight. Why should it be when half of it is phony anyway?

Dr. Laura just lost her job. She was paid to insult and humiliate people over the radio. I'd rather have someone pay me to dance around naked. But that's just me. I've been to lots of strip clubs in my life. In fact, I think I have probably been inside more than you've ever seen even the outsides of, including the ones you see on tv. In all the hours, days, possibly weeks when you add it all up, that I have spent in strip clubs, I am pretty sure that I NEVER saw a man actually drool, like a baby sucking Gerber biscuits, non-metaphorical DROOL SALIVA onto a dancer.

But maybe I've been going to the wrong clubs.

No doubt, as a stripper you have to have a tough shell, and you have to stay focused. There's lots of bad stuff you could get sucked into. But that doesn't mean you will. That doesn't mean you can't quit. That doesn't mean an ephemeral, valuable purity has been stolen from you. Things that were important before you showed some strange old men your tits are still important afterwards.

They do these studies on pornography, you know, they get these guys, and they measure them for some negative quality, like impatience, or verbal aggression, or how fast they drive. Then they make the guys watch movies of people fucking. It looks pretty good. Then it stops, and they take the guy back out into the world, and they measure him again for negative behavioral traits. They find he's a bit more impatient, more likely to cut someone off on the road, acts like a bit of a dick when ordering dinner. In most cases the difference is barely significant, statistically. But it does show what they say it will; men are a bit bugged after watching porn in a room full of scientists. When they view porn at home, on their own time, men jack off. It can be ugly. The simian overtones are undeniable. But when the episode is over, they are more relaxed, their muscles aren't holding in as much stress. Maybe seeing all that pussy makes him want to fuck that night, but who doesn't want to fuck?
Last edited by Nina on Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:29 am, edited 3 times in total.
Great art is horseshit. Buy tacos. - Bukowski
User avatar
Nina
Heaven-Sent Hero
Heaven-Sent Hero
 
Posts: 6426
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: خانابدوش

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby lemur68 on Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:22 am

Neen, you got a lap dance on me if I'm in El Lay. Bring Mr. Ginn along.
big_dave wrote:This is just about finding a dorky selfie on his blogspot?

Jesus, this is the Space Ace by Don Bluth of internet intrigue.
User avatar
lemur68
King Shit of Fuck Mountain
 
Posts: 18283
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:52 am
Location: Columbus, OH

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby goosman on Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:38 am

Not to completely derail this thread, but Nina's post about the Cali Prison Guards Union reminded me that they are the ones that will probably stop Proposition 19 which is to be on the ballot in November. It's the Proposition to legalize marijuana. They have too much to lose if it passes and are working hard to to derail it. The prison-industrial complex hard at work.
zom-zom wrote:I'm really good with the spork.
User avatar
goosman
forced to change shirt
forced to change shirt
 
Posts: 1942
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:35 pm
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Trey on Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:15 am

Nina. Sayin' things.
I'm like, whatever, it's fucking Houlihan

http://www.thegary.com
User avatar
Trey
Heaven-Sent Hero
Heaven-Sent Hero
 
Posts: 6184
Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:51 pm
Location: Austin

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby goosman on Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:44 am

Nina wrote:Things that were important before you showed some strange aluminum bearded men your tits are still important afterwards.


PRFedYP
zom-zom wrote:I'm really good with the spork.
User avatar
goosman
forced to change shirt
forced to change shirt
 
Posts: 1942
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:35 pm
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby dontfeartheringo on Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:10 am

Antero wrote:
Andy Est En Feu wrote:I imagine very few people would choose to do it if there were no money involved.

I mean... yeah, that applies to most jobs.


And then there's art.
Anthony Flack wrote:The sax would be a cool instrument if people would only stop making it go burrrrrBLEEEEEE.
User avatar
dontfeartheringo
Master of Cunnilingus
Master of Cunnilingus
 
Posts: 12232
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: athens, ga

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Ernest on Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:12 am

Andy Est En Feu wrote:It's perverse to me that pornography or this type of 'profession' is considered a legitimate field to go in to. The fact that these places exist, and that pornography is a valid commodity to be sold in a free-market reveals a pathology about modern society that I find very disturbing.

Andy Est En Feu wrote:I can't think of a more depressing, and degrading occupation than having to strut around a bar half naked, in order to satisfy a mans sexual impulse. I imagine very few people would choose to do it if there were no money involved. Just think if your mother, sister, girlfriend etc, took up that job, I think you'd feel somewhat different about the whole thing.


There's nothing inherently anything about stripping or porn, to me. It depends on the circumstances, and the situation a woman finds herself in. It's sad if they're broke, and turn to porn to feed themselves if it's something they would probably hate, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be the prevailing situation.

There's nothing inherently wrong about dancing nude in front of paying customers, either. The oppression isn't inherent within the activity, the same with menial jobs. I don't like wage labor, either, in fact I'm opposed to it on principle, but as a practical matter, I don't see a difference between using sexuality and using your cognitive skills to make a buck.

I'd feel exactly like this if it were my mother, a family member, or my significant other stripping or entering the porn industry. I'd worry, no doubt, because of some of the characters that may frequent a strip club, or that the employer is taking them for a ride, but I'd worry about the same thing if the job were convenience store cashier.

About not doing it if you weren't paid, I don't think that's a valid point either way. As an example, if I could land myself a job, a relatively 'perfect' job, say a position at a major company, where I can get an office to myself overlooking beautiful scenery, thirty dollars an hour, no dress code, great benefits, and at least six weeks paid vacation, all to compile stats or something silly, I still wouldn't do it for free. I don't think I'd be unique in this.

Doing things for free is obviously not the point of a job, nor is it to find something you love to do. In the latter case, it's great to find something you love doing and getting paid, but by and large, I'd be hard pressed to find something with enough security, and my own constant enjoyment to do it. Working for a wage sucks, but I don't need the allure of payment to make me do the things I love.

I have no interest in visiting a strip club at all, because it's not my thing, but I don't see anything wrong with it, aside from the inevitable employer-trying-to-rip-you-off scenario, like all other work.
Marsupialized wrote:A bus will crash and there'd be three people stepping over injured children to get out saying 'fuck them' it's just how it is with people.
User avatar
Ernest
Master of Cunnilingus
Master of Cunnilingus
 
Posts: 12620
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:18 pm
Location: Past where they paint the houses

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Boombats on Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:30 am

A question for society: what sort of pay-it-forward membership dues am I required to pay in order to detatchedly rub my schwanze in your face at work? And can I wear cargo shorts and a shortsleeve or is g-string required? Faxing my CV.
Escape Rope / Blxck Onion / Black Mesa
warmowski wrote:Fire back, absolutely, always and forever no matter how much it blows Andy's mind.
User avatar
Boombats
Analingus Eggnog
 
Posts: 21215
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:31 am

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby nihil on Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:50 am

Fuckin' A, Nina!
User avatar
nihil
Best leader Who Realized Human Wisdom
Best leader Who Realized Human Wisdom
 
Posts: 2582
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:47 pm
Location: St. Louis

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Andy Est En Feu on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:04 pm

Ernest wrote:
Andy Est En Feu wrote:It's perverse to me that pornography or this type of 'profession' is considered a legitimate field to go in to. The fact that these places exist, and that pornography is a valid commodity to be sold in a free-market reveals a pathology about modern society that I find very disturbing.

Andy Est En Feu wrote:I can't think of a more depressing, and degrading occupation than having to strut around a bar half naked, in order to satisfy a mans sexual impulse. I imagine very few people would choose to do it if there were no money involved. Just think if your mother, sister, girlfriend etc, took up that job, I think you'd feel somewhat different about the whole thing.


There's nothing inherently anything about stripping or porn, to me. It depends on the circumstances, and the situation a woman finds herself in. It's sad if they're broke, and turn to porn to feed themselves if it's something they would probably hate, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be the prevailing situation.

There's nothing inherently wrong about dancing nude in front of paying customers, either. The oppression isn't inherent within the activity, the same with menial jobs. I don't like wage labor, either, in fact I'm opposed to it on principle, but as a practical matter, I don't see a difference between using sexuality and using your cognitive skills to make a buck.

I'd feel exactly like this if it were my mother, a family member, or my significant other stripping or entering the porn industry. I'd worry, no doubt, because of some of the characters that may frequent a strip club, or that the employer is taking them for a ride, but I'd worry about the same thing if the job were convenience store cashier.

About not doing it if you weren't paid, I don't think that's a valid point either way. As an example, if I could land myself a job, a relatively 'perfect' job, say a position at a major company, where I can get an office to myself overlooking beautiful scenery, thirty dollars an hour, no dress code, great benefits, and at least six weeks paid vacation, all to compile stats or something silly, I still wouldn't do it for free. I don't think I'd be unique in this.

Doing things for free is obviously not the point of a job, nor is it to find something you love to do. In the latter case, it's great to find something you love doing and getting paid, but by and large, I'd be hard pressed to find something with enough security, and my own constant enjoyment to do it. Working for a wage sucks, but I don't need the allure of payment to make me do the things I love.

I have no interest in visiting a strip club at all, because it's not my thing, but I don't see anything wrong with it, aside from the inevitable employer-trying-to-rip-you-off scenario, like all other work.


The truth of the matter is pornography doesn't even depict violence and degrading acts against women in its films, it actually happens. Try watching a women being urinated on, or having a penis shoved down her throat until she gags and throws up and defend your position that there's nothing wrong with it. This might sound like a slippery-slope fallacy, but I think to equivicate that with serving lattes, or using ones brain in order to make money just isn't the same.
Andy Est En Feu
lardner
lardner
 
Posts: 169
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:19 pm

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Ernest on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:13 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote:The truth of the matter is pornography doesn't even depict violence and degrading acts against women in its films, it actually happens. Try watching a women being urinated on, or having a penis shoved down her throat until she gags and throws up and defend your position that there's nothing wrong with it.


If we're going to characterize it as violence, then by all means, this 'violence' is fine, if the woman willingly chooses to engage in it. I can still defend my position, regardless of the act; gagging, urination, bukkake, what have you. There's nothing wrong with any of it so long as the person isn't forced to it. In this case, there's no difference between being urinated on on film, versus doing the same act in the comfort of your own home with your lover. The dimension of it doesn't change because payment has entered the equation.

Andy Est En Feu wrote:This might sound like a slippery-slope fallacy, but I think to equivicate that with serving lattes, or using ones brain in order to make money just isn't the same.


What's the difference then? Other than a moral distinction, which still doesn't make sense.
Marsupialized wrote:A bus will crash and there'd be three people stepping over injured children to get out saying 'fuck them' it's just how it is with people.
User avatar
Ernest
Master of Cunnilingus
Master of Cunnilingus
 
Posts: 12620
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:18 pm
Location: Past where they paint the houses

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby DrAwkward on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:27 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote:The truth of the matter is pornography doesn't even depict violence and degrading acts against women in its films, it actually happens. Try watching a women being urinated on, or having a penis shoved down her throat until she gags and throws up and defend your position that there's nothing wrong with it. This might sound like a slippery-slope fallacy, but I think to equivicate that with serving lattes, or using ones brain in order to make money just isn't the same.


You need to read more Dan Savage, buddy. If you think there aren't ladies out there who enjoy that sort of thing (as long as it's consentual and mutually agreed upon by both partners), you are a very, very sheltered person.
Stinky Pete wrote:BDSM is a bit like Queens of the Stone Age in that it's basically fine to be into, but a bit worrying if you're obsessed with it.

Body Futures
IfIHadAHiFi
Martian Dance Invasion!
User avatar
DrAwkward
Master of Cunnilingus
Master of Cunnilingus
 
Posts: 12049
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:03 am
Location: SEWI

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Nico Adie on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:02 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote:slippery-slope phallusy


Would require significant coercion to go to this gay bar.
User avatar
Nico Adie
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
 
Posts: 2993
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:26 am
Location: Scotland

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby Andy on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:21 pm

Andy Est En Feu wrote: Try watching a women being urinated on, or having a penis shoved down her throat until she gags and throws up and defend your position that there's nothing wrong with it.


No, thanks. Those two are a big turn-off. But so what? You're describing assault and battery. Are you presuming to say that to be in porn or work in a titty bar, you're required to go through physical assault? That's crazy.
User avatar
Andy
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
Leader with Extraordinary Personality
 
Posts: 2855
Joined: Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:04 pm
Location: 815

Re: place: Titty Bars

Postby BeanChilla on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:23 pm

Those places always give me the creeps.
It's really more of a sleazy feeling, almost lonely for the people that are there most of the time.

I understand some guys just go to see tits but if i am going that route id prefer porn and maybe talking to a real person one day instead of combining the two.

Something about the setting just eliminates the chance of arousal for the most part.
I'd put that on my nuts.
User avatar
BeanChilla
ambulance chaser
ambulance chaser
 
Posts: 118
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:43 pm
Location: All over this bitch

PreviousNext

Return to Crap / Not Crap

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 10 guests