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Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

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One is more important, which?

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Postby galanter on Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:20 pm

I take issue with the question. Much more important than either was 70's US Punk because it gave rise to both.
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Postby Johnny 13 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:31 pm

It is against the rules to take issue with the question. The question is all we have. Without the question, we. are. nothing.


All hail the question.
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Postby Johnny 13 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:34 pm

Also, the Ctrl-S description is what I had in mind, but the drift is not upsetting.
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Postby Sebastian J. on Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:46 pm

80s US Hardcore. Hands down
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:49 pm

All right, I tried to pair bands that had at least some common denominator. I realize the outcome might have been different with different pairings--Die Kreuzen would've won against anybody but The Birthday Party--but something must be said for having gotten there first. Still, some of these bouts were maddeningly close,

I ran out of British punk bands long before I did US hardcore bands, having been involved in the latter era and having a more comprehensive knowledge of its bands. I realize that there are plenty of British punk bands I've never heard, so feel free to append any additional pairings and keep the tally running.


999 vs. Circle Jerks: Yanks win, 1-0

The Adverts vs. The Dicks: Yanks win, 2-0

The Birthday Party vs. Die Kreuzen: Brits win, 2-1

Boomtown Rats vs. Adolescents: Yanks win, 3-1

Buzzcocks vs. Husker Du: Brits win, 3-2

The Clash vs. Articles of Faith: Brits win, 3-3

The Damned vs. Angry Samoans: Brits win, 3-4

The Fall vs. Void: Yanks win, 4-4

Gang of Four vs. The Proletariat: Brits win, 4-5

Generation X vs. The Germs: Yanks win, 5-5

Alternative TV vs. Saccharine Trust: Yanks win, 6-5

Magazine vs. Mission of Burma: Yanks win, 7-5

The Only Ones vs. Bad Religion: Brits win, 7-6

The Pop Group vs. Minutemen: Yanks win, 8-6

Tom Robinson Band vs. Squirrel Bait: Yanks win, 9-6

The Saints vs. The Effigies: Brits win, 9-7

Sex Pistols vs. Bad Brains: Yanks win, 10-7

Sham 69 vs. Fear: Brits win, 10-8

Siouxsie & The Banshees vs. Legal Weapon: Brits win, 10-9

The Slits vs. Meat Puppets: Yanks win, 11-9

The Soft Boys vs. MDC: Brits win, 11-10

Stiff Little Fingers vs. Dead Kennedys: Brits win, 11-11

The Stranglers vs. Black Flag: Yanks win, 12-11

Subway Sect vs. Negative Approach: Yanks win, 13-11

UK Subs vs. DOA: Yanks win, 14-11

The Undertones vs. SS Decontrol: Brits win, 14-12

Wire vs. Minor Threat: Brits win, 14-13

X-Ray Spex vs. 45 Grave: Brits win, 14-14


And there you have it, folks: a tie! Of course, if I'd scared up a couple of British bands to pit against Malignant Growth and Fading Out, it would've tipped it in the USA's favor, but in the interests of international relations, I figured I'd disqualify my own bands.

British punk and American hardcore: both so good!!
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Postby cjh on Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:57 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph!

Is there an emoticon that represents the universal action of doffing one's cap in respect? and The Subway Sect too!

I'm off to listen to Ambition..goodnite y'all.
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Postby Mazec on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:00 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Stranglers vs. Black Flag: Yanks win, 12-11


How many other people here agree with this?
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Postby zom-zom on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:27 pm

Mazec wrote:
Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Stranglers vs. Black Flag: Yanks win, 12-11


How many other people here agree with this?


I disagree with so many of those "analogies" that I cannot believe this person has listened to said bands in any amount.

Unless it's a sort of a joke or something.

I've seen most of the bands on the list, I think.
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Postby Cranius on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:40 pm

galanter wrote:I take issue with the question. Much more important than either was 70's US Punk because it gave rise to both.


Phil Galanter, you're not wrong, but that isn't what's being asked.



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Postby Sebastian J. on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:44 pm

I agree with that
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Postby Bernardo on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:08 pm

US hardcore. If it was british post-punk vs american 70´s punk, then it´d be a contest. And british 80´s hardcore loses in all scenarios IMO.
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Postby galanter on Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:21 pm

Well, if I can't take issue with the question...

I'd have to take 70's Brit Punk. That movement was an outward one spawning off lots of different sub-movements and variations. It touched lots of people.

80's US Hardcore was an inward movement of purification and orthodoxy...*very* important to those there, but essentially nonexistent to those not.
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Postby vockins on Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:16 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Any category featuring The Birthday Party automatically wins.


The Birthday Party is a fine band.

The Birthday Party isn't worthy to eat the corn out of the Bad Brains's shit.
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Postby Chapter Two on Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:28 pm

Sex Pistols

VERSUS

Dead Kennedys

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America wins
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:58 pm

vockins wrote:
Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Any category featuring The Birthday Party automatically wins.


The Birthday Party is a fine band.

The Birthday Party isn't worthy to eat the corn out of the Bad Brains's shit.


This is utter madness. The Bad Brains are indeed one of the greatest hardcore bands--top 5, easily--but they made one excellent album, a couple of decent ones, and a bunch of crap (remember the non-H.R. years?). They played Louisville in their heyday, opening with 5 fast songs (maybe ten minutes of blistering music) before opting to play over an an hour of unabated half-baked reggae. Everyone in attendance was appalled.

If The Birthday Party recorded a single bad song, I have not heard it. They are, after The Stooges, the second greatest rock band of all time.
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Postby galanter on Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:02 pm

Chapter Two wrote:Sex Pistols

VERSUS

Dead Kennedys

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America wins


In what sense?
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Postby steve on Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:47 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:If The Birthday Party recorded a single bad song, I have not heard it. They are, after The Stooges, the second greatest rock band of all time.

You really do need to hear a couple of the Jesus Lizard's albums.
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Postby Jodi S. on Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:00 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Slits vs. Meat Puppets: Yanks win, 11-9

Why did you pit these bands against one another? Was it because, at the time, both were Wholly Other than anything else to be listened to?
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:00 pm

steve wrote:You really do need to hear a couple of the Jesus Lizard's albums.


Just ordered Goat. God, I hope it's not better than Funhouse, or I'll really have some explaining to do.
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:03 pm

burun wrote:
Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Slits vs. Meat Puppets: Yanks win, 11-9

Why did you pit these bands against one another? Was it because, at the time, both were Wholly Other than anything else to be listened to?


Pretty much. And because I can imagine one of more of the Kirkwood brothers with dreadlocks.
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