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Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby timpickens on Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:42 pm

I like Damaged, The First Four Years better than most of the Minor Threat stuff, but overall my vote goes to MT.

However, if I could go back in time and see either band, it'd be The Flag. Any era.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby iHateTheFloridaPanhandle on Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:24 pm

Going with Minor Threat here as well.

However, I've never understood the Rollins hate. Should I listen to Get in the Van again? From what I remember it just sounded like the stereotypical underground musician who was living gig to gig near the end, along with a lot of stories of being spat on in Europe.

Black Flag went downhill because it lost Cadena and with it the traditional "Play chords fast!" trait of hardcore, leaving just an overly technical lead, an ok bassist, and Rollins, who at this point had devolved to "FUCK EVERYTHING BUT THE BAND I'M IN." kind of attitude.

Comparatively, you can barely tell there is 2 guitars on Out of Step.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby timpickens on Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:08 pm

givemenoughrope wrote:...it would be the same complaints as Hank-era Black Flag. A band tries something different than 3 chord hardcore. Sue them.


A lot of the Rollins era stuff is genuinely bad music. So there's that.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby joime on Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:59 pm

totally Black Flag is my fav of the two!
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby hench on Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:28 pm

both of these bands got me through some of the shittiest periods in my life. both of them were great for when i was angry and (thirsty and) miserable, but only minor threat carried a little bit of optimism with all of that angry. i'm pretty sure that that little bit of optimism kept me out of the hospital.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Bill Swansea on Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:54 am

givemenoughrope wrote:Embrace is pretty bad but that's a different band.


You know if you said that to Embrace that they'd go off to the toilet and start crying. What did they ever do to you huh?

I actually quite like Embrace for whatever reason. Not a patch on the Threat or Fugazi though.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby motorbike guy on Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:23 am

timpickens wrote:I like Damaged, The First Four Years better than most of the Minor Threat stuff, but overall my vote goes to MT.



Agreed.


timpickens wrote:However, if I could go back in time and see either band, it'd be The Flag. Any era.


I saw them both. Minor Threat was great, and fun and a good time. It felt like a "movement" and like there was some empathy between the audience and the band. That was for the year or two when hardcore felt like a real DIY "look what we can do" kind of thing until careerism, record labels, money, jocks and heavy metal started splintering the whole thing.

I saw Black Flag a few years later. Around the time they started releasing records again, when "My War" came out. Rollins in his too-tight short shorts. They played hard, but there was no real heart behind the noise. It was not inspiring, or scary. I am sure they were better back in 1981-82, but I didn't see them.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby enframed on Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:59 pm

Black Flag for everything compiled on "The First Four Years."

As much as I used to love Minor Threat, I can't listen to them anymore.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Tom on Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:08 pm

If we're talking about the bands themselves, not their legacies, Black Flag easily. Much more interesting. Minor Threat was kind of a one trick pony in my mind. Even the crappy later Black Flag had some decent stuff (Slip It In).
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby geiginni on Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:12 pm

[begin ire-drawing statement] I was never terribly impressed with either of these bands when they were quite significant to my friends for many of the reasons mentioned here. I much prefer the the later projects of each group's leaders, Fugazi for the musicality that was missing from MT, Circle Jerks for the humor and variety missing from BF.[/ire-drawing statement]
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby 154 on Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:56 pm

Minor Threat easily.

Bad Brains Vs. Minor Threat would be kind of interesting I guess.


Bad Brains, not quite as easily.

It wasn't until fairly recently that I'd heard Black Flag often referred to as 'hardcore'. I don't get that at all. It sounds like fairly standard Sex Pistols-influenced punk rock to me, 'til they went all stoner rock/free jazz/poetry and whatnot.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby calhern on Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:27 pm

Interesting replies all around

I went with Black Flag. I like MT, but I cannot listen to them all the time. Ian's sermonizing gets tiresome, I have to be in the right kind of mood for it. Plus, I don't really feel like there is much variety in their (very small) discography. A lot of it just blurs together.

Black Flag have their fare share of hang ups. I cannot stand Ginn's lyrics, I think they are across the board horrible. It's the kind of moronic shit I might have related to when I was 10, but does little for me now. And Hank's voice is mostly garbage, I never believed a word he said. But I can look past just about all of this on albums like Damaged and Live 84, which I listen to fairly often
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Ptommydski on Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:27 pm

Damaged (which I dislike as an album) is hardcore if you compare it to the Buzzcocks or the Sex Pistols (both of whom I prefer enormously).
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Nina on Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:45 pm

Black Flag.

That Gene Simmons ass-licking Rollins can bite it though.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Bernardo on Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:33 pm

Ptommydski wrote:Bad Brains Vs. Minor Threat would be kind of interesting I guess.


Bad Brains, obvously.

I voted for Minor Threat, but even though I like them I never found them that great or untouchable to start with, nowhere as great as Fugazi, for an example.

I really like In My Head, btw.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Boombats on Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:17 pm

Bernardo wrote:I really like In My Head, btw.

The song or the album? Never heard the whole disc but the song itself is one of my favorites by the band and my favorite with Henry.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby SecondEdition on Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:18 pm

About half of In My Head, the album, is among the best material the post-Damaged band ever did. The rest of it is kind of dumb, albeit of a higher quality than much of the rest.

"In My Head," the song, is great.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby Bernardo on Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:25 pm

I'm into the album as a whole (wouldn't say every single track is great, though). There is something off about it, it's sort of morose, but it works with the music. I don't care that much for anything else they've done. I still prefer the Out of Step LP to it.
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby sawtooth on Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:59 pm

iHateTheFloridaPanhandle wrote:.
Black Flag went downhill because it lost Chuck Dukowski and that ugly primitive rumble he brought with his bass playing. that low-end power might have even made the "jazz fusion" stuff work.

fixed the post to reflect my personal opinion.

i'm going with black flag. i like the threat material that i have heard but i am in love with flag's puke-spattered guitar tones
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Re: Band: Minor Threat VS Black Flag

Postby SecondEdition on Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:47 pm

Dukowski was an absolute monster of a bassist.
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