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Film: Dogtooth

Postby A Totem Pole on Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:40 pm

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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby SecondEdition on Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:47 pm

No, but I've heard of it. Indications are that it's really weird, really creepy and scariest when it's trying to be funny.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby Charlie D on Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:17 pm

Just watched it about two weeks ago. Total mind fuck. Go see it the moment you have an opportunity. NC.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby Bloodjet on Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:22 pm

My favorite of the year. Try to not read up on the synopsis before seeing it.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby tocharian on Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:04 pm

Everyone whose movie opinions I trust raves about this film. The Silent Movie Theatre in Los Angeles will be showing it again in early January, so heads up:

http://www.cinefamily.org/calendar/events.html#dogtooth
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby pymm on Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:11 pm

The trailer made this film look like a totally different kind of film than what it was. Almost like a dark Wes Anderson-esque comedy. It is very much not. I recommend NOT watching the trailer and going to see it.

edit: changed the word 'movie' to 'film'... this is SUCH a 'film' ;)
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby mattw on Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:25 pm

Worst movie of the year.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby tocharian on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:09 pm

Dogtooth has been promoted as the film that you absolutely must see if you want to prove that audiences for provocative experimental foreign films exist in the United States. So I did my patriotic duty and saw it. It's good, but I thought a bit obvious and I have relatively little to say about it. There's bare tits, actual cocks, incest and dead cats but idea-wise it's a bit one note. The family as North Korea. Maybe somebody else got more out of it.

Not crap, but I've seen better this year. The Flashdance stuff was funny.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby enframed on Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:59 pm

Hilarious, creepy, absurd, and beautifully shot. NC.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby Podge9 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:05 am

Really enjoyable in a very odd way.

That scene at the end though literally made me jump out my chair screaming 'nooooooo!!!'
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby Cranius on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:48 am

tocharian wrote:The family as North Korea.


The film isn't about North Korea, it's about Greece today.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby tallchris on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:14 pm

Great movie. Easily the most disturbing film I've seen in a while. I've been thinking about it a lot over the last few days. If that's not the sign of a great film, I don't know what is.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby mattw on Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:40 am

Feel like I'm living in an alternate universe. People liked this shit? Honestly, I enjoy off the radar stuff- I mean, damn, I enjoyed Trash Humpers and The Human Centipede, of all things. It was the cat-killing scene that finally did it for me- no thanks. I can't stand seeing that shit on film, and yes I am a cat lover. Abuse and incest- really, what satisfaction do you get from seeing that in a movie? The reality of it is depressing enough.

Both my friend and I hated it. Then it ends up and all these best-of lists. The moron millions, I guess.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby enframed on Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:06 pm

You enjoyed The Human Centipede, a movie about people, against their will, having their asses surgically sewn to others' mouths by a mad scientist, but are offended by this? The incest and other abuses were indeed creepy, as they are supposed to be. The reality of it is depressing. You should be turned off by that, or the image of someone killing a cat. Would the quiet intimation of both have been more acceptable?
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby mattw on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:25 pm

enframed wrote:You enjoyed The Human Centipede, a movie about people, against their will, having their asses surgically sewn to others' mouths by a mad scientist, but are offended by this? The incest and other abuses were indeed creepy, as they are supposed to be. The reality of it is depressing. You should be turned off by that, or the image of someone killing a cat. Would the quiet intimation of both have been more acceptable?


Oh no, I wouldn't say I'm offended by it. There was just no getting around the isolated, claustrophobic situation those people were in. I figured out the artistic "point" of the movie in 5 minutes. The ending was anything but hopeful. The kids will be fucked for life.

Unlike The Human Centipede, Dogtooth was fully cloaked in reality. There are disgusting people like in this movie that shield their captives from the world. That sick fucker in Austria that kept a girl in his dungeon of a basement for however long and continually molested her. Those sick religious fucks that kept that 11-year-old girl for almost 20 years. Also, I'm sure there are families like these that imprison their children for whatever reason.

Human Centipede has such a basic Cronenbergian concept and executed it. Also, I'm still creeped out by the scene when Doctor Heiter asks if the girls are American and grabs that bit of the couch. It is 100% medically accurate, but I doubt anyone has had the wherewithal to actually attempt it. (Noted that Second Sequence, with its 12 participants, is being billed 100% inaccurate)

Something like Trash Humpers has an anarchic, truly oddball spirit to it that I really enjoyed. However, for the most part, both those movies were trashed (no pun intended) by critics, while something like Dogtooth is acclaimed.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby Jeremy B on Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:30 pm

mattw wrote:
Both my friend and I hated it. Then it ends up and all these best-of lists. The moron millions, I guess.


No, not really. Unlike the kids in the movie, we millions in the real world are free to have opinions and interestingly enough we don't always agree.

By no means did I think this movie was groundbreaking, but I did think it was really well done, and it kept me entranced the entire time I watched it.

The only thing that bothered me was that the elder daughter ("Bruce") looks exactly like my ex-girlfriend. Had a hard time shaking it while watching the movie.

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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby scntfc on Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:42 pm

crap. nice photography, but the concept for the entire film ran its course in about ten minutes. it needed to do something...advance the plot, develop the characters...anything to maintain interest, and it failed.

as it is, it's like the structure of a slasher flick: the plot is minimal and the characters flat, so they have to keep thinking of creative ways to show people being killed. substitute slasher kills with various scenes of fucked up incest/stockholm syndrome hijinks and you've got the movie. michael haneke does a much better job with this kind of filmmaking.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby mattw on Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:09 pm

Jeremy B wrote:
mattw wrote:
Both my friend and I hated it. Then it ends up and all these best-of lists. The moron millions, I guess.


No, not really. Unlike the kids in the movie, we millions in the real world are free to have opinions and interestingly enough we don't always agree.


Maybe a poor choice of words...like the fact that Transformers 2 was considered "awesome" by the general public and made about a zillion dollars would be more apt for this phrase. I stole that from A. Hitchcock- sorry.

It just bothers me when films, particularly art films that could have such a higher goal, resort to old, cheap tricks, like shock or bizarre for its own sake. Like the scene where they make the weird song in the movie. I could do the same thing and put it in a movie and make some excuse for why it's artistic- doesn't mean it serves the purpose of the film.
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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby A Totem Pole on Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:48 pm

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Re: Film: Dogtooth

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:57 pm

mattw wrote:Unlike The Human Centipede, Dogtooth was fully cloaked in reality. There are disgusting people like in this movie that shield their captives from the world.


Precisely why I enjoyed this film and shrugged my shoulders at The Human Centipede, which merely seems like the artier cousin of the Saw and Hostel franchises. Dogtooth serves as an extreme exaggeration of what happens when people become overprotective and end up mutilating what they love as a result of it. You can definitely draw parallels to the more paranoid aspects of home schooling, cult religion, the insular tendencies of well-off suburbanites, etc.

The movie also sports a quasi-hopeful message about how, no matter how hard you try to suppress them, people tend to naturally gravitate towards questioning things, learning more, satisfying desires, etc. Or, if you're a pessimist, you could simply say that curiosity killed the cat (didn't particularly love that scene, but I thought it was useful, necessary, and far less gratuitous than it could have been).

SPOILER ALERT: Some dumbass American indie movie would have had one of the kids killing the father, the mother going crazy, Christina calling the cops, or some kinda "payoff" or "moral lesson" at the end. Or, it might have explained what the deal was w/the invented "brother," how the father met his wife, whether or not there was anything funny in the orange juice that everyone was drinking, what the father did for a living. Or given some backstory about how the family and its peculiar ethical system were conceived. Actually, even Haneke often colors his films w/such manipulations. But sorry, you don't get that kinda satisfaction in Dogtooth, and you rarely get that kinda satisfaction in life. Sometimes, bad things just "are." Or you never find out exactly how they were created.

A more developed backstory and more developed characters weren't integral to this film, and such elucidations would have detracted from the point, which is simply a statement about control and how human beings respond to it. Bonus points for being funny as hell in an often uncomfortable manner w/o ever remotely celebrating or exploiting the horrors of the family's situation. This movie is like the opposite of torture porn, and if you have a decent attention span, it will offer many rewards. Although it's more of a conversation piece than an example of narrative cinema w/detailed characters and a plot that goes from A to B.

The slow pacing and overall chilly, glacial tone really suited the superficially sunny yet grim, anti-womb world in which those kids lived. The whole thing seemed totally off and wrong and even a little painful. But at the same time it could also serve as a metaphor for so many different social-control situations. Plus the misappropriation of info from a bunch of bombastic mainstream movies from the '70s and '80s made me laugh my ass off. Four fucking stars.
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