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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby scntfc on Tue May 17, 2011 12:00 pm

roberto wrote:Yet some how OFWGKTA and Tyler get a pass ...why?


25 years of cultural precedent. In the trajectory of hip hop lyrics from too $hort, NWA, ghetto boys et. al. and onward, odd future lyrics don't seem out of place.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Boombats on Tue May 17, 2011 12:01 pm

i am the smud wrote:How can you not laugh at this:

"I'll crash that fuckin airplane that that faggot nigga B.o.B. is in/And stab Bruno Mars in his god damn esophagus/And won't stop till the cops come in"

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get the funny.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby eephour on Tue May 17, 2011 12:23 pm

Can we get back to talking about there finally being some rap music that has whitey uncomfortable?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby i am the smud on Tue May 17, 2011 12:33 pm

roberto wrote:Bullshit... The way you excused "faggot" and "cunt" is exactly what millions of kids (and adults) use to excuse "Nigger"..

"were just joking around, we're not racist, we just call each other that"

If you gonna excuse some words , at least man up and excuse them ALL equally.


Yes, there are white kids who use the word "nigger" all the time. But how often do you see white characters on TV use the word "nigger"? How often do you hear white people use it in a song? Yet everything that is considered lame is referred to as "gay" on South Park.

In this case, what is "acceptable" in conversation is different from what is acceptable in entertainment.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Tue May 17, 2011 1:43 pm

So that New Yorker piece on Earl Sweatshirt is fascinating.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby i am the smud on Tue May 17, 2011 1:57 pm

I found it interesting that Earl denies his being sent away as involuntary, but the way OF shouts "Free Earl!" they seem to think otherwise. I wonder if and when Earl decides to come back to music if he'll do it without OF
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby eephour on Tue May 17, 2011 2:25 pm

He's out in Samoa huh?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Tue May 17, 2011 2:53 pm

eephour wrote:Can we get back to talking about there finally being some rap music that has whitey uncomfortable?


To suggest that Odd Future are making music that "has whitey uncomfortable" is, I think, giving a bit too much credit to OF.

People are offended by the use of the word "faggot," which seems pretty reasonable to me. No one's scared. They just question this word being used so freely.

Tons of people find this music fresh and interesting. Tons of people don't. But come on, it's not like this is some revolutionary music that is changing culture outside of the Pitchfork universe.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Tue May 17, 2011 6:17 pm

AnthonyCinder wrote:Tons of people find this music fresh and interesting. Tons of people don't. But come on, it's not like this is some revolutionary music that is changing culture outside of the Pitchfork universe.

The Pitchfork universe, I think, has nothing to do with this. It's where we're seeing it, but the big impact OF is going to have is on teenagers - the crowds are young as fuck. One of my friends who teaches says he's got some students who doodle OFWGKTA on everything.

Hell, I wish I could have heard Goblin in high school. That would have been revelatory.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Tue May 17, 2011 9:49 pm

Antero wrote:
AnthonyCinder wrote:Tons of people find this music fresh and interesting. Tons of people don't. But come on, it's not like this is some revolutionary music that is changing culture outside of the Pitchfork universe.

The Pitchfork universe, I think, has nothing to do with this. It's where we're seeing it, but the big impact OF is going to have is on teenagers - the crowds are young as fuck. One of my friends who teaches says he's got some students who doodle OFWGKTA on everything.

Hell, I wish I could have heard Goblin in high school. That would have been revelatory.



But even among the teenagers, it doesn't seem like it's some revolutionary, cultural shift in music. It's kind of similar to how kids liked the Misfits when I was in high school. They like the immediacy, the shocking imagery, and the adrenaline of it.

Again, tons of people are into it and that's cool. Revelatory? Definitely for some. But not revolutionary.

On another note, it's scary how teenagers throw around certain words like it's no big deal.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Tue May 17, 2011 11:30 pm

Well dude! It's your job to call them on that shit, nah?

I grew up right next to the stretch of Fairfax that they call home. I mean, two or three blocks from it. When I realized where they were... *head pop*
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Tue May 17, 2011 11:37 pm

Antero wrote:Well dude! It's your job to call them on that shit, nah?

I grew up right next to the stretch of Fairfax that they call home. I mean, two or three blocks from it. When I realized where they were... *head pop*


It is my job, but I would feel obligated to do it regardless.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Ptommydski on Tue May 17, 2011 11:58 pm

eephour wrote:Can we get back to talking about there finally being some rap music that has whitey uncomfortable?

I think thanks to Pitchfork and the internet in general (all television and print journalists hang around on the net now) that most of the Odd Future audience is white people. I've seen several photos of shows where every person in the audience is white.

They are definitely into Stuff White People Like territory.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby tocharian on Tue May 17, 2011 11:59 pm

Odd Future's music best approximates how reading Waxidermy makes me feel. So tired of these fucking assholes and their long lost folkie psychrock genius internet hoaxes. When is that shit gonna stop?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Wed May 18, 2011 12:06 am

Ptommydski wrote:
eephour wrote:Can we get back to talking about there finally being some rap music that has whitey uncomfortable?

I think thanks to Pitchfork and the internet in general (all television and print journalists hang around on the net now) that most of the Odd Future audience is white people. I've seen several photos of shows where every person in the audience is white.

They are definitely into Stuff White People Like territory.

"Whitey" is not "white people." Kids are not Whitey, even if they're white.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Ptommydski on Wed May 18, 2011 12:19 am

Dictionary.com wrote:1. A contemptuous term used by black people to refer to a white person.

2. White people collectively.

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Wed May 18, 2011 2:07 am

The contours of the collective noun are more subtle than the second entry would allow.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby RSMurphy on Wed May 18, 2011 4:17 pm

Antero wrote:I think that "faggot" is going to decline in significance at roughly the same pace that homosexuality loses its stigma.


Really? When do you suppose this up-with-people moment is going to happen?

R.I.P. David Kato - January 2011

R.I.P. Tyler Clementi 2010

Teens lure gay men into abandon building; tortures, sodomizes, murders 2010

LGBT Resource Center in California defaced 2010

Three Chicago men charged with battery after attack on the Red Line 2010

8 horses burned to death at a barn in Ohio. The owner of the barn is gay "FAGS ARE FREAKS" was spray-painted on one of the gates 2011

I could go on, but time is short.

I've spoken my bit earlier in this thread, and I'm not too shocked that it's still going given the ridiculous amount of hype this collective is receiving. I am not as informed as the lot of you on OFWGKTA or hip hop in general, but I know what I like, and I know what sounds good. I also know when I'm being fed a crapload of bullshit defense in regard to their random usage of the insult "faggot." You like them? Fine. However, this falling all over oneself to defend these kids against using an insult that is still very much in vogue to hurt and humiliate the LGBTQ community would be laughable if not so sad and pathetic. I'm not even going to get into the amount of homophobia that runs rampant within the black community, but as priviliged, straight, white, collegiate dudes who are more than enamored with these trailblazers you aren't expected to be aware of this.

I'm refusing to vote. Can't remember if I voted before and can't be assed to go back and look. In some ways I'm glad these kids are doing what they're doing...somewhat. As a kid who used to carry around The Satanic Bible in a high school run by Carmelite priests, nothing gets my dick harder than seeing a well-placed upside-down cross (or other dicks for that matter). I dig their aesthetic. I get it. I've been there. Never felt the need to propagate hate, though. On that they get a resounding crap.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Ernest on Wed May 18, 2011 4:28 pm

It's evident in songs like Yonkers that what passes for production just really isn't that good. Sure, it's no pussy Lil Wayne beat with the mangled snare, but it's like someone paid a bunch of kids to rap over Salem outtakes. I'll be damned if people don't do their best to approximate novelty in rap.

The biggest gripe I have with Odd Future, Tyler, and Earl etc. is that their rhymes are just cheesy. Tyler referencing Ellen DeGeneres' clit, for example. How goddamn dumb does it have to get before someone pulls another Tone Loc with an updated "Funky Cold Medina" with added reference to some "faggots" or pill popping?

Take a bunch of ignorant kids, and this is what you get. Beats slowed down in Audacity, and where lack of flow is now considered cool, replacing the lack of rapping as the latest thing.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Isabelle Gall on Wed May 18, 2011 5:41 pm

Ernest wrote:it's like someone paid a bunch of kids to rap over Salem outtakes.

Okay everybody you can all shut the fuck up now alright, Ernest has got this all figured out. It's like someone paid a bunch of kids to rap over Salem outtakes, okay? That's all it is. Kids...sounds like Salem. Everybody go home. That's right sir nothing to see, even you that's right...fuck along please. I want my chocolate.
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