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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby elisha wiesner on Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:59 pm

tmidgett wrote: Let me know if you're still paying attention in ten years. Maybe I'm missing something.


I will be paying attention until Earl Comes back and puts something else out. Dude has 1 10 song "album", a few guest spots on some some shit and a couple songs on mixtapes. That's it. No live performances, no MTV, no interviews, no pissing off Steve etc... He is clearly the most talented writer and rapper in the group and all his shit was recorded between the ages of 14-16. I really think he could make a great album if given the chance.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:21 pm

Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Evin Relocation on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:36 am

Antero wrote:Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.


I just can't wait until he discovers a whole new slew of words with which to degrade women!
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:09 am

Evin Relocation wrote:
Antero wrote:Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.


I just can't wait until he discovers a whole new slew of words with which to degrade women!

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby chumpchange on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:32 am

Antero wrote:Odd Future.


Yawn.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby GrantMcNeilly on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:50 am

I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:24 am

GrantMcNeilly wrote:I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Pretty sure Odd Future don't have privileged backgrounds (and I still think they make bad music).
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby crustandcrumb on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:26 pm

seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:57 pm

crustandcrumb wrote:seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.


Man, you are really putting a ton of stock in them if you're espousing the "if you don't like/get Odd Future, you might not like/get hip hop" idea. Really? Odd Future is that definitive of the genre? I would disagree, and I hope others would too, whether they like them or not.

Sorry, wasn't into the Earl Sweatshirt stuff, beyond thinking it was cool that a kid had made all this music.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby crustandcrumb on Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:13 pm

AnthonyCinder wrote:
crustandcrumb wrote:seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.


Man, you are really putting a ton of stock in them if you're espousing the "if you don't like/get Odd Future, you might not like/get hip hop" idea. Really?


No. I am defiantly not making that argument. Just think it's too easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater with these guys*. If you're genuinely into hip hop and don't dig 'em, then you just don't dig 'em. There's nothing to "get" (in my opinion).

*I was doing this until just recently. It took downloading their whole discography and listening to a lot of bad rap tunes to figure out there was some decent/great material in there.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby gaetano on Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:26 pm

I really don't get these people. The phrasing is just weak, the "flow" (whatever) is amateurish at best. They say some offensive stuff, so what? 99% of other hip-hop acts do the very same thing.

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby GrantMcNeilly on Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:08 pm

AnthonyCinder wrote:
GrantMcNeilly wrote:I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Pretty sure Odd Future don't have privileged backgrounds (and I still think they make bad music).


Earl's dad seemed pretty well renowned to me (shades of Adrock...). Perhaps he's not "privileged" but the family seems pretty worldly. Didn't the New yorker article talk about how they all went to some upscale high school or something? That was the impression got...
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:10 pm

crustandcrumb wrote:
AnthonyCinder wrote:
crustandcrumb wrote:seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.


Man, you are really putting a ton of stock in them if you're espousing the "if you don't like/get Odd Future, you might not like/get hip hop" idea. Really?


No. I am defiantly not making that argument. Just think it's too easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater with these guys*. If you're genuinely into hip hop and don't dig 'em, then you just don't dig 'em. There's nothing to "get" (in my opinion).

*I was doing this until just recently. It took downloading their whole discography and listening to a lot of bad rap tunes to figure out there was some decent/great material in there.


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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:15 pm

GrantMcNeilly wrote:
AnthonyCinder wrote:
GrantMcNeilly wrote:I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Pretty sure Odd Future don't have privileged backgrounds (and I still think they make bad music).


Earl's dad seemed pretty well renowned to me (shades of Adrock...). Perhaps he's not "privileged" but the family seems pretty worldly. Didn't the New yorker article talk about how they all went to some upscale high school or something? That was the impression got...


Maybe my facts are wrong. I didn't read the New Yorker article.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:28 pm

Syd's family is upper-middle class. Tyler's family is poor.

Earl's mother presumably has enough money to ship him off to reform school in Samoa. That New Yorker article is crazy, though - kid is all wrapped up in portents and symbols.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AAAAAAAARGH on Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:02 pm

gaetano wrote:I really don't get these people. The phrasing is just weak, the "flow" (whatever) is amateurish at best. They say some offensive stuff, so what? 99% of other hip-hop acts do the very same thing.

Don't believe the hype!


hahaha give me a fucking break

one of the things i love about this this forum is that threads are never archived and you can go back and see how people reacted to music before it was a matter of "hype"

i'm reminded of that dirty projectors thread (another wildly creative musical project that hit it big after already releasing voluminous output) that kerble posted two or three years before bitte orca, and some guy had the gall to declare that everyone would forget about them in half a year

like honestly? if you don't like it fine, but odd future have been doing their thing way before you gave a fuck and they'll continue doing it long after. hype isn't self-generating; it occurs when lots of people like something. yonkers blew up like crazy from word of mouth, and now tyler is supposed to be accountable for other peoples' buzz around him? fuck that

although i will say that goblin was an insanely disappointing release. the only track i LOVED off of it was Burger, which wasn't even on the 'album' per se. dude fell into the juvenile trap of rapping about his own newfound notoriety instead of all the off-the-dome funny shit that was organic to him back when he was hungry

also all that rape shit is annoying IMHO, earl's stuff from kitchen cutlery (the album he was gonna do before he started hanging out with tyler) is nearly as stylistically refined and shows that he could just be doing his own thing if he wanted to

one last thing -- am i the only one totally put off by how people point to OF's inarguably cool aesthetic (album artwork, catchphrases, sharp/unique manner of dress, young black dudes skateboarding) etc as somehow invalidating the music? i PREFER for bands i like to have a cool aesthetic! if the music stinks, it doesn't matter how cool your CD looks. but if it doesn't, why is it supposed to count against you that all the non-musical stuff you do is pleasant to look at? such a cheap shot.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby cjh on Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:15 pm

America's So Solid Crew. Crap.

I'm pretty old now though, sure this isn't meant for me I only found out yesterday what MF DOOM looks like.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby elisha wiesner on Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:17 pm

Antero wrote:Syd's family is upper-middle class. Tyler's family is poor.

Earl's mother presumably has enough money to ship him off to reform school in Samoa. That New Yorker article is crazy, though - kid is all wrapped up in portents and symbols.



Earl's dad is South African poet laureate Keorapetse Kgositsile The proto rap group Last Poets took their name from one of his poems. He was also married to the deputy president of South Africa. It is unclear if they have or have ever had a relationship. He's stated in interviews that he has never heard Earls music.

I think I might have mentioned this earlier in the thread but in a very male dominated industry I like the fact that their music is engineered and mixed by a 19 year old girl in a room at her parents house. Go Syd!
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby MrMattDiehl on Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:48 am

steve wrote:I spent about 40 minutes with these little pricks at the end of May and I haven't wanted to strangle anybody that much in a real long time.


I am totally curious how you ended up spending even five seconds with any member of Odd Future, let alone forty minutes... Do tell.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby gaetano on Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:57 am

AAAAAAAARGH wrote:
gaetano wrote:I really don't get these people. The phrasing is just weak, the "flow" (whatever) is amateurish at best. They say some offensive stuff, so what? 99% of other hip-hop acts do the very same thing.

Don't believe the hype!




if you don't like it fine, but odd future have been doing their thing way before you gave a fuck and they'll continue doing it long after.


"Don't believe the hype" is the title of a song by a hip-hop band called Public Enemy.

Nah, forget it, nevermind.
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