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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:39 pm

Dovey wrote:The beat in "Turnt Down" is just ridiculous.

The original for that one is fucking annoying though.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Mason on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:00 pm

Antero wrote:Soon you will find yourself using "swag" in casual conversation.


I've been having problems with this since November or December.

It took until this week for "based" to enter my lexicon but oh lordy has it ever.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby SecondEdition on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:58 pm

Apparently Hodgy has a big thing for Black Sabbath. All good stoners love Sabbath.

Hodgy Beats, on his Tumblr wrote:Image

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Dovey on Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:14 pm

If Hodgy ain't careful he's gonna end up being my favourite dude
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:22 am

Has anyone besides me listened to Frank Ocean's album yet? Even their singer can drop a good album. There are some missteps ("Hotel California"? Really) but it's worth a download just for "novacane," which is fucking incredible.

Fuck, even the "Hotel California" thing isn't as bad as it could be. Guy is a really strong narrative songwriter.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby kerble on Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:51 pm

big_dave wrote:
BadComrade wrote:I just watched the first 30 seconds or so


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BadComrade wrote:I listened to it on a cellphone with other music playing in the background



...

I listened to it on my loud-ass stereo with the 19" monitor and was there past the 30-second mark when the tuba kicked in, so I guess I won.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:19 pm

BadComrade wrote:I listened to it on a cellphone with other music playing in the background, but if this stuff is, uh, "killing it", it should have jumped out and made me not click it off after 30 seconds.

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Well have fun with your Lady GaGa records, I guess?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby iHateTheFloridaPanhandle on Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:02 am

BadComrade wrote: So, I just watched the entire clip of Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All performing on Jimmy Fallon's show. Now that I know they have the word wolf in what's also a long, stupid band name (like "Death From Above 1979" or "Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!"), I'm starting to understand why so many of you hip motherfuckers like them so much. I bet they'll play just before the Sunday night headlinders at this year's Pitchfork. Maybe Lupe Fiasco will come out and do a song with them!! Chi-town reprazent!

To be fair here, most band names are silly. I don't think i've ever had a time where I've had an opinion along the lines "Oh, their name is The Who? That is a legit name I gotta take a listen!"

BadComrade wrote:But seriously, folks. I can not believe some of the things you guys have said about these young hip hop musicians. Comparing it to punk rock? Feeling it is the best thing in the last ten years? So funny. Not as funny as some of you talking "straight up hood" all of the sudden, though. For that, you should be embarrassed. Not as embarrassed as you should be for thinking smoke machines, ski masks, garden gnomes, a girl dressed as a zombie and a white dude playing an iphone (in front of the tuba player) are "punk rock", but still...


They're punk rock in the sense that they released about 7 albums worth of material independently and grew enough of a following to get on Late Night. They're punk rock in the sense that they're passionate enough about their own music to go absolutely apeshit and do whatever and not play it safe once they get a big break. They're punk rock in the sense they're not worrying about someone like you being condescending about their decisions.


BadComrade wrote:Call me old-fashioned, but I think I'll stick with the winners of 2008's "Rap Group Most Palatable to Indie Rockers / Approved by Pitchfork" award: Chicagoland's own Cool Kids.


If by palatable you mean making songs about stuff that's relatable and not about gucchi and getting the hoes, yes. And please do not say they only do songs involving rape and scary intimidating shit. Yes, its there, but it's pretty obviously there as purposefully uncomfortable sarcasm.


BadComrade wrote:Image

Scan that with a barcode app on your smart phone.


That was put there by Late Night I'm pretty sure. Because This is the actual cover.
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BadComrade wrote:Oh, and when you're ready for some dope shit that will push your wig back, watch Xzibit battle "internet funnyman" Tom Green in this sensational video. Maybe he can join the collective.

This is actually pretty entertaining.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Sam on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:36 pm

BadComrade wrote:Get off my lawn...white dude playing a game boy


Judging an 8+member group by a video containing two of them is silly. The Roots were the backing band.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Isabelle Gall on Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:14 pm

BadComrade wrote:I can not believe some of the things you guys have said about these young hip hop musicians. Comparing it to punk rock? Feeling it is the best thing in the last ten years? So funny. Not as funny as some of you talking "straight up hood" all of the sudden, though. For that, you should be embarrassed. Not as embarrassed as you should be for thinking smoke machines, ski masks, garden gnomes, a girl dressed as a zombie and a white dude playing an iphone (in front of the tuba player) are "punk rock", but still...

Well, the likelihood of any punk rock being made anytime soon that sounds like punk rock is practically nil. Not going to happen.

Also, iPhones and iPads have all kinds of useful and not as yet fully tapped applications as portable playback and modulation devices. Two examples-port for an iPhone in the new Fairlight CMI 30A and the iPad being able to do pretty much everything a $1800 JazzMutant Lemur would have done.

If I'd seen the Fallon performance without being already familiar with Bastard and the EARL album then I probably would have enjoyed it, but I doubt it would have had quite the same wtfuckitsrlyhappeningandtheyrkillingit effect that it had for myself and others here. I fucking HATE it when people idly call things surreal but this really was. Anyway, those are the two albums you should definitely check out. If everything they went on to produce was unmitigated shit Odd Future would forever be NC for those two alone. I don't think that's going to be happening though and Goblin for one could well be bonkers if Yonkers is any indication.

BadComrade wrote:If Isabelle Gall likes something I usually do too.

Awesome. Please don't read the "what records have you bought recently" thread.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:50 pm

BadComrade wrote:Call me old-fashioned, but I think I'll stick with the winners of 2008's "Rap Group Most Palatable to Indie Rockers / Approved by Pitchfork" award: Chicagoland's own Cool Kids.
The Cool Kids are an awful group who make shitty rap full of self-conscious throwbacks to an era that, for them, exists only has empty signifiers. Fuck The Cool Kids.

BadComrade wrote:Master P is "punk rock" by your standards, then.

Master P is actually pretty punk rock, at least in the sense of generating a following through independent effort and word of mouth rather than through corporate channels.

Odd Future is punk because they make music for its own sake, experiment, are interested in honest expression, and challenge the traditions, assumptions, and practices of both mainstream and underground rap.

I love how so many people that are buying in to the hype over this boring rap "collective" are also apologetic for their use of the word faggot and other things you people would be up in fucking arms about if done by a white rock band. Keep making excuses for them, faggots!

Right, because there's a huge contingent up on the board who finds this to be morally reprehensible.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby RSMurphy on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:06 pm

Antero wrote:
BadComrade wrote:
I love how so many people that are buying in to the hype over this boring rap "collective" are also apologetic for their use of the word faggot and other things you people would be up in fucking arms about if done by a white rock band. Keep making excuses for them, faggots!

Right, because there's a huge contingent up on the board who finds this to be morally reprehensible.


You do realize that is a weak comparison, don't you? I won't even begin to understand the context in which any of those guys use the word "faggot" (if you do I'd love to read about it), but Patti Smith is obviously using "nigger" as descriptor for her outside status. Is Odd Future doing the same type of identifying with their use of the word "faggot?" I'm sincerely interested as I think their beats and atmosphere are pretty great. It's hard for me, though, to get past the subject matter. And I consider myself an appreciator of transgressive art. To my limited knowledge it just sounds like kids being stupid and people are allowing for their stupidity because of a vacuum in hip hop culture.

Sincerely interested in thoughts from those who are championing this. Also, I read somewhere in this thread where an appreciator mentions they wish they'd stop singing about rape, but also states that kids should be unfiltered...or something like that. Please to show me what I am not getting.

And for the record I have yet to cast a vote, though everything I have heard has been sick.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby RSMurphy on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:39 pm

BadComrade wrote:Yes, rapping about liking Sega and clothes from `88 is much more "whack" than rapping about raping, faggots and smoking weed.

I'd rather listen to Odd Future Whatever the Fuck They're Called than Patti Smith.


I didn't click on this thread for the first two pages because I thought it was a C/NC on Odd Furniture.

Patti Smith is fucking horseshit. Just fucking terrible.


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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Dovey on Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:15 pm

BadComrade wrote:Image

Scan that with a barcode app on your smart phone.


FYI, it just directs to oddfuture.com
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:43 am

The barcode is pretty clever, because they don't have any physical records he could hold up.

As a bracket to all further discussion of OF and obscenity, it should be noted that the only members of the group engaged in serious obscenity are Tyler and Earl. Occasionally Hodgy.

RSMurphy wrote:You do realize that is a weak comparison, don't you? I won't even begin to understand the context in which any of those guys use the word "faggot" (if you do I'd love to read about it), but Patty Smith is obviously using "nigger" as descriptor for her outside status.
BadComrade wrote:Either way, she's not using the word "nigger" in a derogatory way
Well, hold up.

It's easy to make a statement like that from our perspective - the song has been widely discussed for years, and everyone is at this point well aware of her intent - but this idea that "She's not using the word in a derogatory way" is insufficient, isn't it? We're not saying it's okay because she lacked derogatory intent, we're saying that because of the role of the word in the song we accept its use. Just pointing to "intent" would excuse every awkward encounter with a white kid who greets his friends with "what up nigga."

Moving on.

Is Odd Future doing the same type of identifying with their use of the word "faggot?" I'm sincerely interested as I think their beats and atmosphere are pretty great.
No.* They're using the word in the unfortunate way that teenagers use it, as a denatured negative.**

It's hard for me, though, to get past the subject matter. And I consider myself an appreciator of transgressive art. To my limited knowledge it just sounds like kids being stupid and people are allowing for their stupidity because of a vacuum in hip hop culture.
There's obscenity but nothing in the way of stupidity; the way Earl puts words together on even (especially?) his most transgressive verses is staggeringly creative. He has an understanding of slant rhyme and assonance that exceeds all but a handful of the greatest MCs, and his wordplay is original and unexpected. Tyler's also great on the mic, and tends to be viciously funny.

The rape and murder talk on BASTARD and EARL comes from a lot of different places. One is the desire to shock and discomfit - say, Tyler's threats in "French," or the endlessly creepy "Blow." Another is as a cathartic mechanism for dealing with heartbreak, as seen in Earl's "Luper" (where, after discussing the breakup, Earl realizes she'll never listen to the song and takes the opportunity to vent his anger) or Tyler's "Sarah." There's also something additional, and weirder, happening in "VCR," which turns around issues of control, insecurity, and jealousy.

A strong point of difference between OF and horrorcore is the fact that the vast majority of OF's catalogue isn't in any way engaged with the tropes of that genre. "Shocking" lyrics in horrorcore are an attempt to evoke a certain mood, like a horror movie. With OF it's usually a detail within a verse rather than the complete focus, often has the character of friends making inappropriate jokes with each other, and gives the impression that they're saying something not so much to shock but more to rebel against the very idea that anyone could try to stop them.

BadComrade wrote:Yes, rapping about liking Sega and clothes from `88 is much more "whack" than rapping about raping, faggots and smoking weed.
Yes, exactly. 100%.

*Lil B, on the other hand, has referred to himself as a fag, a lesbian, a pretty bitch, and Ellen Degeneres.
**Unlike early Eminem, OF's records contain no attacks on gays. Kids these days just seem to call each other that. It's their engineer Syd, who is apparently lesbian, shouting it at Earl on the interlude "wakeupfaggot"
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:08 am

And with that, YONKERS hits a million.

I'm happy for them. They deserve to blow up.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Zorg on Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:58 am

Finally, a black Bloodhound Gang.

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby RSMurphy on Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:48 am

Antero wrote:As a bracket to all further discussion of OF and obscenity, it should be noted that the only members of the group engaged in serious obscenity are Tyler and Earl. Occasionally Hodgy.


Fair enough, but Tyler, Earl, and ocassionaly Hodgy are the three MCs one immediately think of when Odd Future is mentioned. It is their work which informs the aesthetic of the collective which is why I feel a generalization is easy enough.

It's easy to make a statement like that from our perspective - the song ["Rock and Roll Nigger"] has been widely discussed for years, and everyone is at this point well aware of her intent - but this idea that "She's not using the word in a derogatory way" is insufficient, isn't it?


No. It is sufficient enough. Historical context isn't needed to glean her motivation for writing the song. The poetry and meaning is a plain as day. You could take someone who isn't familiar with Patti Smith, introduce them to that song, and they'd come out of it realizing the artist's intent. It is that heavy-handed.

We're not saying it's okay because she lacked derogatory intent, we're saying that because of the role of the word in the song we accept its use. Just pointing to "intent" would excuse every awkward encounter with a white kid who greets his friends with "what up nigga."


Which is exactly what you are doing by excusing and attributing intellectual reasoning behind Odd Future's use of "faggot," and describing rape fantasies.[/quote]

Moving on.


I would be remiss if I didn't state this, but the amount of slavish devotion and general brown-nosing of this collective by the general consensus of this thread is baffling and slightly insulting.

They're using the word [faggot] in the unfortunate way that teenagers use it, as a denatured negative.


If it is so unfortunate then why is it being excused? Is it because they couch it in such a creative fashion that its historical context and sting should be lessened?

There's obscenity but nothing in the way of stupidity; the way Earl puts words together on even (especially?) his most transgressive verses is staggeringly creative. He has an understanding of slant rhyme and assonance that exceeds all but a handful of the greatest MCs, and his wordplay is original and unexpected. Tyler's also great on the mic, and tends to be viciously funny.


Again, is it because these transgressive verses have a flow that they should be ignored. If someone humiliates and debases a group of people with panache that makes it acceptable? Like I mentioned earlier, I appreciate transgressive art because I am able to process the entirety of that work's creation: intent, context, and execution. With some, not all, but some of this OF output I'm just hearing kids being stupid kids (albeit it with panache), and everyone excusing them for their behavior because the majority of mainstream hip hop sucks ass and these kids are like a whiff of fetid air in a stagnant scene.

The rape and murder talk on BASTARD and EARL comes from a lot of different places. One is the desire to shock and discomfit - say, Tyler's threats in "French," or the endlessly creepy "Blow." Another is as a cathartic mechanism for dealing with heartbreak, as seen in Earl's "Luper" (where, after discussing the breakup, Earl realizes she'll never listen to the song and takes the opportunity to vent his anger) or Tyler's "Sarah." There's also something additional, and weirder, happening in "VCR," which turns around issues of control, insecurity, and jealousy.

A strong point of difference between OF and horrorcore is the fact that the vast majority of OF's catalogue isn't in any way engaged with the tropes of that genre. "Shocking" lyrics in horrorcore are an attempt to evoke a certain mood, like a horror movie. With OF it's usually a detail within a verse rather than the complete focus, often has the character of friends making inappropriate jokes with each other, and gives the impression that they're saying something not so much to shock but more to rebel against the very idea that anyone could try to stop them.


OK, now this is something that I had felt but wasn't able to suss-out and I find it much better reasoning than, say, kids being kids so let's excuse them.

Again, to be sure, I have yet to vote on Odd Future. So far I am finding their aesthetic uncomfortably pleasing, and, yeah, they are like a whiff of fetid air in a scene that is stagnant and content. However, to be dismissive and to basically say you're just not getting it is horseshit. As someone who is well-aware of self-esteem and identity issues that can be brought-on by employing art in this fashion, it is only right that we take a good, hard look at them as well as ourselves.

Some thirteen-year-old faggot isn't going to be thinking intellectually.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby kerble on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:09 pm

BadComrade wrote:So, I just watched the entire clip of Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All performing on Jimmy Fallon's show. Now that I know they have the word wolf in what's also a long, stupid band name (like "Death From Above 1979" or "Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!"),


except they're kids. and kids name their bands poorly often. that said I think "Odd Future" is a pretty slick band name, and is how they're billed and booked. and the OFWGKTA (and the full name) is a graffiti tradition of crew tagging. considering there's tons of footage of them spraypainting, it seems more like a graffiti culture nod than anything.

I'm starting to understand why so many of you hip motherfuckers like them so much.


I like the music and they get shit done. skate videos, comedy interviews, etc. the album covers are exceptional. they seem great live. why not?


I bet they'll play just before the Sunday night headlinders at this year's Pitchfork. Maybe Lupe Fiasco will come out and do a song with them!! Chi-town reprazent!


I would be shocked if they didn't play pitchfork this year. not the point. a good gig is a good gig, or should dianogah not have played?

Gravediggaz


honestly that 1st gravediggaz record is one of my all-time favourites. part of what I like about the odd future stuff is that there's never been anything that hit the same part of the brain since them. and there's lots of it. GD was '94, that makes it ~17 years. that's reason enough for me to get excited.

But seriously, folks. I can not believe some of the things you guys have said about these young hip hop musicians. Comparing it to punk rock? Feeling it is the best thing in the last ten years? So funny. Not as funny as some of you talking "straight up hood" all of the sudden, though. For that, you should be embarrassed. Not as embarrassed as you should be for thinking smoke machines, ski masks, garden gnomes, a girl dressed as a zombie and a white dude playing an iphone (in front of the tuba player) are "punk rock", but still...


I think it's rad.

I can't wait to see them appear in the thread about things you once thought were cool but later realized were crap.


I think it'll hold up.


Image

Scan that with a barcode app on your smart phone.


your point? they had the same idea you have for your footer on an internet forum
and blew up with it? are you jealous? that's cool!

I scanned your footer a month or so back. thought it was funny.
I scanned the Odd Future bar code and got to watch the "Yonkers" video again.
thank you.

shit sounded great on my cell phone.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby kerble on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:10 pm

Zorg wrote:Finally, a black Bloodhound Gang.

Crap.



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