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C/NC: Publishing/teaching a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial slurs

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C/NC: Publish/teach an edition of Huck Finn w/o racial slurs

Postby iembalm on Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:44 pm

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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:01 pm

Yes, let's forget that bad words ever existed and American history is all rainbows and interracial handshakes. Kids can't handle nuance, you know.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby SecondEdition on Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:05 pm

Outside of the fact that Mark Twain is probably laughing his ass off in his grave right now about how this proves that America is still as benighted, pitifully stupid and pathetically shortsighted as ever with regard to anything even remotely controversial, CRAP, :WF: 0.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Johnny 13 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:09 pm

The argument for the change sounds reasonable enough, but I am not really buying it. I don't like modifications of people's work. I accepted edited for TV versions of movies because it was the 70s and I wanted to see Hollywood movies on TV. These days I don't have to put up with a butchered version of anything. I am not wanting anyone to feel bad. If reading Huck Finn's language is going to upset someone, read a different book. It is a great book, but there are a lot of great books out there. It does seem like failure to acknowledge the context of the portions where the objectionable language sometimes occurs is amputating the real heart of what makes the book the classic that it is.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby greg on Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:02 am

That's powerful retarded!

This isn't the bible for christ sake. You can't just change around the words and story to fit current sensibilities. Let the book be the book, and talk to your children about it.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:08 am

They could have skirted around the issue more effectively by simply removing all black characters entirely.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby DrAwkward on Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:08 am

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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Marsupialized on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:09 am

Thank yourselves, ultra Liberals. On your never ending rabid quest to kid safe the world from hurt feelings and mean boo-boo words, you pretty much always fail to see the damage and ridiculousness you leave in your wake is twice as bad as the original 'wrong' you set out to correct. Have fun with your newly non offensive book that was never offensive to begin with.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby calhern on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:14 am

This reminds me of when Ted Turner wanted to colorize Citizen Kane.

"Tell Ted Turner to keep his crayons away from my movie!"

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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Cranius on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:52 am

This is so idiotic, I don't know where to begin. It makes me wonder if those suggesting the excising of the n-word even comprehend the basic premise of the book, a book principally about honesty, friendship and equality. A premise so simple that children readily understand it.

The moment in the book when Huck apologises on his knees to Jim is perhaps one of most noble moments in literature.

They're treating slavery as if it is a PR-problem. It's the conditions of slavery and continuing racism that are offensive, not the historical use of the word.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby mmmribsmmm on Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:31 am

I remember reading this in middle school in 7th grade I believe. That was 1994 I think. In our copies they had replaced the n word with "country folks". I'm surprised this is making news, as this isn't a new idea.

Parents are really fucking stupid sometimes. It seems a lot of people just lose all sensibilities once they have a kid. I imagine the school was gonna hear from angry parents no matter what reading material they picked for the curiculum.

On that note, I'm off to edit the Bible (more).
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Wood Goblin on Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:59 am

Johnny 13 wrote:If reading Huck Finn's language is going to upset someone, read a different book.


This. Bastardizing the book is an idiotic response that will satisfy nobody.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby PEPPER! on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:27 am

this is great. next I would also like to see a remastered Trout Mask Replica where everything's been spliced to 4/4 and autotuned to pentatonic scale. then this classic work could reach the audience it always deserved.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby blue_thunder on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:39 am

It disturbs me that they would deface a classic piece of literature, but leave this horrible piece of shit untouched:
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby vockins on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:54 am

greg wrote:That's powerful retarded!


Yes. Supercharged retarded. Top fuel retarded.

It's only one of the goddamn primary themes of the book the dude is fucking with here. A book about one of themes of living in the United States from day one to right now.

An English teacher has a problem with words - Jesus Filet O Fish Christ.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Wood Goblin on Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:45 am

vockins wrote:
An English teacher has a problem with words - Jesus Filet O Fish Christ.


In fairness, I can imagine circumstances in which it would be legitimately difficult to teach this book because of the frequent use of the n-word. That doesn't mean that the book shouldn't be taught in its unadulterated form, just that the teacher should consider the sensitivity and maturity of the class.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby lemur68 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:01 am

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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby steve on Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:52 pm

Yes, yes, whatever leave the book alone. It's fine as it is. Probably don't want to have it in a curriculum so as to introduce the word "nigger" into conversations children will have with each other and give cover to using that word in other contexts, but whatever.

Still creeps me that there's so much furor over the removal of some racist language. That's what people will jump to their feet to defend. Fuck people.
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby Marsupialized on Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:05 pm

steve wrote:Still creeps me that there's so much furor over the removal of some racist language. That's what people will jump to their feet to defend. Fuck people.


So, 100 years from now they find 'Prayer to God' and edit it so that you say 'Hug them, kiss and hug them' instead of the terribly offensive words that are there now. You are ok with that? They have decided these words are unsuitable and will be changed, for the children.

If they have a problem with certain aspects of a book, they should choose a different one. A book is a book, it's done, it's finished. It is what it is as it exists. These fucking people these days, they want every aspect of everything to bend around their every whim. I mean, what the fuck? I like this book, but not these parts, we'll just change them. That's better. You fucking serious with this shit? This is what people are doing now?
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Re: C/NC: Publishing a new edition of Huck Finn w/o racial s

Postby tmidgett on Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:11 pm

Crap.

But you do have to deal with the language if you teach it.

In 4th or 5th grade, I had a teacher who read the whole of Huckleberry Finn to us in 10min sections each day. I can't remember how long it took. A long time. I remember it pretty well--it was good that way.

Anyway, before he started, he gave a little speech about the book and why he was reading it aloud--the dialect writing lending itself to that approach etc.

He also addressed the fact that there was a shitty word in it that is used kind of a lot. I think he did this intermittently throughout the reading, to remind us.

He said there were good reasons to have the word in the book. That was the way Huck would have talked, and the book had a more nuanced meaning with it, as the offensive word was used in the course of showing a friendly, even loving relationship.

Then he said since it was 1978 or whatever, and he was white, and we all were white, there was no chance he was going to say that word like twenty times a day. He said he wouldn't say it in front of black people, so he wasn't going to say it in front of us.

I don't remember what he said instead, "black" probably.

Anyway, that was the right way to do it. Salut, Mr. Sherry of Paxson Elementary.
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