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Postby chairman_hall on Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:24 am

Not Crap.


Rifftastic.

I remember hearing Back in Black for the first time, when i was ten or eleven and being blown away. It really changed my life, and they were the first band i really loved.
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Postby a. james on Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:44 am

you guys who voted crap aren't listening right.

there's a lot in subtlety. and you're totally missing it. and guess what, since some of you were being dicks about not liking 'em, i'm not gonna tell you what you're missing.

only that you're missing it.

not liking ac/dc is like not liking the ramones. to which the only response is, "what the fuck's wrong with you?"

ac/dc=not crap. at all. go listen to their cover of "baby please don't go" and try again.
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Postby anarchyinthebronx on Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:27 am

Not Crap for Maximum Overdrive.
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Postby tmidgett on Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:46 am

Dylan wrote:They will forever hold a special place in my heart, no matter how many Rubin-fucked records they make.

By the way, I have heard three different interpretations of the beginning of "For Those About To Rock" - which one do you favour?

    1st & 2nd string, round about the 12th fret
    1st and 2nd string, open B
    1st & 3rd string, 12th fret-ish


In my mind's ear, it's not an open string, and the interval seems farther apart than one string--you know, in terms of timbre, the way a fretted low A seems deeper than a ringing A string.

So I think the third option.

This gets to the genius of the rhythm playing--Malcolm very, very rarely plays more than four strings tops, and most of the time it's two or three.

And he selects the particular strings and voicings and his chord positioning very deliberately.

And he will play a given riff two or three different ways depending on where it is in the song--intro build-up, post-chorus comedown, rave-up part. Often the rhythm is the same, but he will add a note, play it farther up the neck, play a previously fretted note on an open string, etc.

Not even getting into his picking technique, muting, etc. It's extremely sophisticated playing.

You can learn most of what there is to know about playing hard rock rhythm guitar by listening carefully to all of Back in Black. It's basically all there. And he continues to get it right on every record, even when the songs are not up to snuff. He's absolutely terrific.
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Postby Adam CR on Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:03 pm

Boring, pudgy-pubescent, stodgy, retardedly-fanned CRAP.

:WF: zero.

One day somebody 'cool' will dare to point out that Angus Young is actually very, very far from being an interesting writer/player and *pop* the weird 'AC/DC as a ubiquitous name-to-check band bubble' will burst.

Is Steve single handedly responsible for AC/DC being one of those bands that people like? I can't remember anybody (apart from the metal-for-life folk) ever listening to AC/DC when I was younger, and then bam suddenly everybody's a (retrospective) fan.

Weird.

CRAP.
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Postby Rimbaud III on Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:18 pm

I've never been able to get my head their canonical status in the rock world either. I've never found them to be anything more than a pedestrian hard rock band with a few catchy riffs here and there. I need a psychotician to explain how it all works. Does anyone have Daniel Dennet's pager number?
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Postby johnnyshape on Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:39 pm

Adam CR wrote:One day somebody 'cool' will dare to point out that Angus Young is actually very, very far from being an interesting writer/player..


He isn't particularly. Malcolm Young (who writes most of the stuff BTW) on the other hand is up there with Keef for minimal rhythmic brilliance.

Adam CR wrote:Is Steve single handedly responsible for AC/DC being one of those bands that people like?


No.

Adam CR wrote:I can't remember anybody (apart from the metal-for-life folk) ever listening to AC/DC when I was younger, and then bam suddenly everybody's a (retrospective) fan.


This statement rivals even me for sweepingly dumb generalisations, but anyway, Blow Up Your Video was one of the first albums I ever owned. One of the first. The rest were really embarassing.

Also, they hadn't made a decent record for many many years until Stiff Upper Lip. Which is...pretty good.


Adam CR wrote:Weird.


Not really. The reason people like AC/DC is not just what they do, but the slavish devotion to doing one pretty simple thing really well, over and over and over again, year in, year out. I am convinced this is the way to be wildly successful in any field. You've got a secret recipe for pizza that makes it really popular? After a while don't go: "Aw, shite. I'm bored, and listless with my pizza success. I think next year's secret recipe will be 'darker' and more 'me'. " They've never got bored of it, and so neither has the audience.
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Postby rocker654 on Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:51 pm

How many bands have gotten more successful after losing their frontman? I know that success is not a great metric in measuring bands, but usually bands get worse when they continue on with a new front man. Witness Deep Purple.

I imagine that those who think AC/DC are crap love a band I detest.
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Postby Richard on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:06 pm

rocker654 wrote:I imagine that those who think AC/DC are crap love a band I detest.

The Smiths?
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Postby Gramsci on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:15 pm

Not crap, anyone that thinks they are crap has never heard Highway to Hell or Back in Black... and is probably evil.

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Postby sunlore on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:17 pm

Adam CR wrote:One day somebody 'cool' will dare to point out that Angus Young is actually very, very far from being an interesting writer/player and *pop* the weird 'AC/DC as a ubiquitous name-to-check band bubble' will burst.


This criticism of Angus Young's guitar playing is lame. Angus/the Young bros never claimed to be interesting or progressive as players. They subscribe to and in a way perfected the Pete Townshend School of Musical Sensationalism, which, in the context of balls-to-the-wall no bs hardrock, works for me. I think any AC/DC live footage would suffice as clarification on that point. It's highly expressive stuff.

Also, AC/DC's guitar work, while some of it was arguably pre-dated by Free's great Paul Kossoff, was always decidedly unique in term of phrasing, interplay and tone. Whether or not you like it, listen to the first few bars of any AC/DC track and it's immediately clear who you are dealing with.

Is Steve single handedly responsible for AC/DC being one of those bands that people like? I can't remember anybody (apart from the metal-for-life folk) ever listening to AC/DC when I was younger, and then bam suddenly everybody's a (retrospective) fan.


This criticism of AC/DC is even lamer.

Overly macho antics, lots of boring and redundant songs, Angus Young asking half a million bucks for playing a couple of tunes with a friend's band a while ago (he lives in my vicinity): CRAP.

The Let There Be Rock album, the spectacular combo-playing, this video, the mass of super-kinetic riffing: NOT CRAP.

AC/DC is NOT CRAP.
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Postby tmidgett on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:25 pm

Adam CR wrote:Is Steve single handedly responsible for AC/DC being one of those bands that people like? I can't remember anybody (apart from the metal-for-life folk) ever listening to AC/DC when I was younger, and then bam suddenly everybody's a (retrospective) fan.


Have always loved them. For the same reasons the whole time.

Same with ZZ Top.

I remember how shocked I was to find that so many of my musicianly friends have the same affection I do for these two particular bands.

I just grew to love them hearing them on the radio, while growing up in Montana. It never dawned on me that other people who played music somehow related to the music I play would have any truck with them. But many of these people seem to appreciate these bands for the same reasons.

I understand why someone wouldn't like AC/DC or ZZ Top, easily. But it means one has a bit of a deaf spot for hard rock. Which is OK--we all have deaf spots.
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Postby Adam CR on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:44 pm

sunlore wrote:
This criticism of Angus Young's guitar playing is lame. Angus/the Young bros never claimed to be interesting or progressive as players.


Cool. I agree that they aren't 'interesting or progressive'.

That said, I tend to enjoy music that I find 'interesting'.

I tend not to enjoy music that I find 'uninteresting'.

sunlore wrote:This criticism of AC/DC is even lamer.


That wasn't a criticism of AC/DC, it was a question.

Question: 'When did it become 'cool' to name-check AC/DC. Certainly when I was a lad AC/DC were listened to exclusively by metal-for-life type folk.

Before Steve started singing the praises of AC/DC I don't think I can remember a decent band/musician singing their praises.

Challenge then:

Find an example of a decent band/musician banging-on about AC/DC before Steve started.
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Postby Gramsci on Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:48 pm

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Postby johnnyshape on Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:17 pm

Adam CR wrote:
Before Steve started singing the praises of AC/DC I don't think I can remember a decent band/musician singing their praises.


I guess it couldn't possibly have happened then.
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Postby sunlore on Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:35 pm

Adam CR wrote:Challenge then:

Find an example of a decent band/musician banging-on about AC/DC before Steve started.


I remember Kurdt name-checking them all the time, which was probably that more influential than whatever Steve Albini ever said. Lots of people were into AC/DC when I was a lad (and I think I'm younger than you are).

But you seem to have a problem with people opening other people's eyes/ears to music that maybe they wouldn't have been open to in the first place, for whatever reason. Why?

It sounds like you are underestimating folk's ability to judge what they like and don't like for themselves, which comes off as rather "schmuck", with all due respect.

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Postby Gramsci on Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:04 pm

Whoa, it's usually me verses most people. Adam, thanks for stepping in for me ;-)

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Postby dimpfelmoser on Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:31 pm

Adam CR wrote:Boring, pudgy-pubescent, stodgy, retardedly-fanned CRAP.

:WF: zero.

One day somebody 'cool' will dare to point out that Angus Young is actually very, very far from being an interesting writer/player and *pop* the weird 'AC/DC as a ubiquitous name-to-check band bubble' will burst.

Is Steve single handedly responsible for AC/DC being one of those bands that people like? I can't remember anybody (apart from the metal-for-life folk) ever listening to AC/DC when I was younger, and then bam suddenly everybody's a (retrospective) fan.

Weird.

CRAP.


My kind of thoughts though I would give a WF of one as their Videos are so daft and stupid that they actually have an entertaining quality. I never thought in terms of crap but more in terms of silly as far as AC/DC are concerned. Did John Peel like them? I don't smegging think so. Also, I never met a girl who liked them. Kinda bad omen in my book.
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Postby sunlore on Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:42 pm

dimpfelmoser wrote:Also, I never met a girl who liked them.

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