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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby biscuitdough on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:40 pm

+1 for the measured timbre of the Amber and Virgil episodes.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:45 pm

If anyone of you haven’t checked out any of Amber Frost’s writing, you totally should. She’s great!

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That was one of my favorite episodes!
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby mrcancelled on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:51 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:If anyone of you haven’t checked out any of Amber Frost’s writing, you totally should. She’s great!


I've read some of her writing in The Baffler, good stuff!
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby milkmeat on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:25 pm

It's a terrific thing that I enjoy. My only quibble is that laffing haha sound effect thing they use for hard transitions between topic. So annoying! I'm guessing it must be an audio watermark and if you are a paid subscriber they edit that fucking little squiggle out, right?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby CarjackFairy on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:28 am

its in the gucci remix they use as a theme song
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Mason on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:59 am

I try not to pick stuff like this up for fear of becoming a generic Chapo/DSA Irony Twitter Bro, but I've deliberately taken on Felix's tic of referring to multiple/indistinct mental illnesses as Psychology. Genuinely useful.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:24 am

CarjackFairy wrote:its in the gucci remix they use as a theme song


By DJ Smokey, from the album Evil Wayz vol 2. The laugh part is at the start of the track.

It’s a weird Vaporwave remix. The album is cool, if you like that sort of thing
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby MRoyce on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:41 pm

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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:18 pm

One assumes it ties into the whole irony bro thing...

The latest episode on Dune - partly - is great...
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby AdamN on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:40 pm

I guess next week's free episode will be the one where they finally skewer JBP's 12 Pro-Tips for Cleaning Yr Room. :lol:
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:46 am

AdamN wrote:I guess next week's free episode will be the one where they finally skewer JBP's 12 Bro-Tips for Cleaning Yr Room. :lol:


I fixed it.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Antero on Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:04 am

The actual podcast is mostly pretty funny.

The podcast and similar dirtbag-left projects are Good insofar as they act as a catcher in the rye for alienated young people who might otherwise be drawn to the alt-right.

Some of the people involved are a fucking mess, and the culture around the podcast is pretty toxic and terrible for organizing. Leftists who want to be podcast celebrities are the worst leftists, and they're gonna turn reactionary as fuck as soon as it doesn't pan out.

The thing in itself is Not Crap.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:53 pm

Antero wrote:Some of the people involved are a fucking mess, and the culture around the podcast is pretty toxic and terrible for organizing. Leftists who want to be podcast celebrities are the worst leftists, and they're gonna turn reactionary as fuck as soon as it doesn't pan out.


What are you talking about?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Johnny C on Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Amber has butted heads with people in the DSA and other adjacent orgs over things like, for example, the consultation or lack thereof of (I could be fucking this up) the official DSA disabilities caucus when working on the Medicare For All bill. There's also been I think a couple of incidents where DSA people kind of ran interference for people who've been critical of the podcast and its semi-informal association with the DSA both online and in person. I try actively to avoid that stuff especially since a not-insignificant part of it seems to be personality clashes more than anything else and since it seems honestly equally toxic to be constantly hashing this stuff out in public and online.

Antero's not entirely wrong in terms of the, like, attitude the podcast can give people being an issue with organizing. At the same time, I think the most you can realistically say about it is that it exacerbates existing issues, e.g. the kind of eager/aggro "I'm Inventing Ideas" thing a lot of dudes have the first time they get around a table, not that it creates those issues. It's also certainly true that a lot of listeners or people in the uh "extended universe" do not have these issues, or have longstanding organizing commitments, or whatever.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:39 pm

The podcast has ***literally nothing*** to do with the DSA. One time they said something like, hey you should join the DSA, right after the election in 2016. Some of them are members (Amber for sure has been a member longer than anyone else on the podcast and probably 95% of current members). That's it.

On the other hand, portions of the extremely online left can't resist a pile-on, which results in a bunch of really stupid and false information spreading like wildfire, as well as weird associations, like the notion the the podcast is in some way affiliated with DSA, which it is not, and then people losing their minds over other people listening to something they don't like, or not publicly denouncing it at every opportunity. It is an endless cycle, and it is certainly toxic, but I don't think much blame can be attributed to the podcast compared to the screeching hordes of rose emojis whose lives seem pretty miserable given the joy they take in dragging people at a moment's notice without any idea of what they are talking about.

I've seen the online pile-ons but I have no experience with or knowledge of these chapo-bros whose exposure to the podcast apparently impedes organizing.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Antero on Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:29 am

Johnny C wrote:Amber has butted heads with people in the DSA and other adjacent orgs over things like, for example, the consultation or lack thereof of (I could be fucking this up) the official DSA disabilities caucus when working on the Medicare For All bill. There's also been I think a couple of incidents where DSA people kind of ran interference for people who've been critical of the podcast and its semi-informal association with the DSA both online and in person. I try actively to avoid that stuff especially since a not-insignificant part of it seems to be personality clashes more than anything else and since it seems honestly equally toxic to be constantly hashing this stuff out in public and online.

Antero's not entirely wrong in terms of the, like, attitude the podcast can give people being an issue with organizing. At the same time, I think the most you can realistically say about it is that it exacerbates existing issues, e.g. the kind of eager/aggro "I'm Inventing Ideas" thing a lot of dudes have the first time they get around a table, not that it creates those issues. It's also certainly true that a lot of listeners or people in the uh "extended universe" do not have these issues, or have longstanding organizing commitments, or whatever.

This is pretty much on point. I will note that the biggest Chapo fan in my friend group is a professional organizer with like a decade in the game, female, and not at all a part of DSA.

I've just been dealing with way too much bullshit in the rose-emoji world lately, which perhaps makes me uncharitable.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby dontfeartheringo on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:18 am

HERE'S THE GODDAMNED THING, COMRADES.

If we can just finally take the goddamned cult of personality and celebrity politics behind the barn like Ol' Yeller and shoot it in the fucking head already, we're going to stop falling for the ENDLESS "problematic person on the left" thing FOR FUCK'S SAKE GODDAMNIT OH GOD.

Look, the Discourse needs to stop being about IDENTITY and PEOPLE and needs to be about POLICY. The DNC and the DCCC and all the goddamned celebrity Democrats and Pragmatic Center people and million dollar consultants want politics to be about running politicians based on demographics and party identification rather than any sort of explicit policy positions, because policy positions alienate their donors. Reform Wall Street? There's a billion dollars they're leaving on the table. Single-payer health care? Kiss another billion in health lobbyist money away.

I don't give a fuck if Matt Christman called someone a "retard" in 8th grade Algebra class. I don't care if Bruno Mars is appropriating side B of "Ice Cream Castles," the 1983 hit by Minneapolis band and Prince protoges, The Time. I don't care that it's Hillary's "turn."

This focus on personalities is how they take your eye off the ball. Guess what: we're all problematic. Guess what, part two: It doesn't fucking matter if you run politicians who explicitly advocate for policies that actually help people.

Name one Hillary policy position from the 2016 election.

This is why we lose. Trump's policy proposals are idiotic (Border Wall) and racist (Travel Ban), but they were policies. Frightened and stupid people saw something they could get behind, even if the 'something' was idiotic and racist. The DNC is an empty suit and it's killing us.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone here, but I feel like this needs to be said.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby blackmarket on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:49 am

dontfeartheringo wrote:HERE'S THE GODDAMNED THING, COMRADES.

If we can just finally take the goddamned cult of personality and celebrity politics behind the barn like Ol' Yeller and shoot it in the fucking head already, we're going to stop falling for the ENDLESS "problematic person on the left" thing FOR FUCK'S SAKE GODDAMNIT OH GOD.

Look, the Discourse needs to stop being about IDENTITY and PEOPLE and needs to be about POLICY. The DNC and the DCCC and all the goddamned celebrity Democrats and Pragmatic Center people and million dollar consultants want politics to be about running politicians based on demographics and party identification rather than any sort of explicit policy positions, because policy positions alienate their donors. Reform Wall Street? There's a billion dollars they're leaving on the table. Single-payer health care? Kiss another billion in health lobbyist money away.

I don't give a fuck if Matt Christman called someone a "retard" in 8th grade Algebra class. I don't care if Bruno Mars is appropriating side B of "Ice Cream Castles," the 1983 hit by Minneapolis band and Prince protoges, The Time. I don't care that it's Hillary's "turn."

This focus on personalities is they take your eye off the ball. Guess what: we're all problematic. Guess what, part two: It doesn't fucking matter if you run politicians who explicitly advocate for policies that actually help people.

Name one Hillary policy position from the 2016 election.

This is why we lose. Trump's policy proposals are idiotic (Border Wall) and racist (Travel Ban), but they were policies. Frightened and stupid people saw something they could get behind, even if the 'something' was idiotic and racist. The DNC is an empty suit and it's killing us.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone here, but I feel like this needs to be said.


This is why DSA is so important right now. Not a political party, I see DSA as more of a coalition of the Left, including everyone from progressive Democrats to libertarian socialists (course, we want to bring those progressive Democrats further to the Left!). Diversity of opinion makes us stronger and has been one of the keys to DSA's success over the last two years, continually growing its membership many times over. Some of our members are elected Democrats, and unlike the opinions of the ISO, that's OK! They are out and proud socialists, running under the party banner. Sure we will consider endorsing candidates if they ask, but you had better be ready to address membership in-person and be able to articulate how you will further the goals of democratic socialism. Being a non-party entity, we don't feel like we have to endorse anyone. And we will work with anyone, ally with any group that is on the same page. A futureworld without political parties.

As for Chapo, I am kind if *meh* on the whole thing. They aren't as cleaver or witty as they think they are. Some of the online interactions I have seen and had with Amber = :roll: . Along the same lines, Politically Reactive is a much better show overall, run by people who are actually funny and are really smart guys.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby dontfeartheringo on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:58 am

blackmarket wrote:
dontfeartheringo wrote:HERE'S THE GODDAMNED THING, COMRADES.

If we can just finally take the goddamned cult of personality and celebrity politics behind the barn like Ol' Yeller and shoot it in the fucking head already, we're going to stop falling for the ENDLESS "problematic person on the left" thing FOR FUCK'S SAKE GODDAMNIT OH GOD.

Look, the Discourse needs to stop being about IDENTITY and PEOPLE and needs to be about POLICY. The DNC and the DCCC and all the goddamned celebrity Democrats and Pragmatic Center people and million dollar consultants want politics to be about running politicians based on demographics and party identification rather than any sort of explicit policy positions, because policy positions alienate their donors. Reform Wall Street? There's a billion dollars they're leaving on the table. Single-payer health care? Kiss another billion in health lobbyist money away.

I don't give a fuck if Matt Christman called someone a "retard" in 8th grade Algebra class. I don't care if Bruno Mars is appropriating side B of "Ice Cream Castles," the 1983 hit by Minneapolis band and Prince protoges, The Time. I don't care that it's Hillary's "turn."

This focus on personalities is they take your eye off the ball. Guess what: we're all problematic. Guess what, part two: It doesn't fucking matter if you run politicians who explicitly advocate for policies that actually help people.

Name one Hillary policy position from the 2016 election.

This is why we lose. Trump's policy proposals are idiotic (Border Wall) and racist (Travel Ban), but they were policies. Frightened and stupid people saw something they could get behind, even if the 'something' was idiotic and racist. The DNC is an empty suit and it's killing us.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone here, but I feel like this needs to be said.


This is why DSA is so important right now. Not a political party, I see DSA as more of a coalition of the Left, including everyone from progressive Democrats to libertarian socialists (course, we want to bring those progressive Democrats further to the Left!). Diversity of opinion makes us stronger and has been one of the keys to DSA's success over the last two years, continually growing its membership many times over. Some of our members are elected Democrats, and unlike the opinions of the ISO, that's OK! They are out and proud socialists, running under the party banner. Sure we will consider endorsing candidates if they ask, but you had better be ready to address membership in-person and be able to articulate how you will further the goals of democratic socialism. Being a non-party entity, we don't feel like we have to endorse anyone. And we will work with anyone, ally with any group that is on the same page. A futureworld without political parties.


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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Johnny C on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:22 pm

Antero wrote:This is pretty much on point. I will note that the biggest Chapo fan in my friend group is a professional organizer with like a decade in the game, female, and not at all a part of DSA.

I've just been dealing with way too much bullshit in the rose-emoji world lately, which perhaps makes me uncharitable.


Uhhh yeah I believe it. I've been too swamped in the rest of my life to properly commit myself to political organizing and have had to scale back basically to attendance but when I got involved a bit more with organizing and meetings again in like 2016 I was extraordinarily self-conscious about how I came across and very deliberately scaled myself down, tried to limit any remarks to, like, reinforcing people without my gender/racial identity, etc., and I'm sure I still probably seemed a little like a newbie who was trying to assert too much of himself in the context of organizing, even though others at the tables were absolutely worse for that than I was. There's a lot of people without self-awareness in that regard and being online often disincentivizes developing any, because doing so puts a bit of a ceiling on the engagement you can get. Not so much of a threat because of personal branding or whatever but because organizing and activism in general seem kind of at odds with the dopamine rush of chasing likes and retweets.

On the other hand, that's not exactly the podcast's fault, more a fault of how and where the public square's been ceded, probably. Maybe. I dunno! My blood sugar's low! Haven't had lunch yet!
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