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Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby FuzzBob on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:40 am

Sgt. Pepper may have been a sonic breakthrough inspired by, and piggybacking on, Pet Sounds. However, Sgt. Pepper may be a great record, but it certainly isn't The Beatles' strongest-- even Magical Mystery Tour, which is essentially Sgt. Pepper Vol. 2, has much stronger material, including "Strawberry Fields Forever."

Pet Sounds, on the other hand, is flawless.

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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:45 am

this shit just made me mad/sick.


Anyone with any actual taste in music would choose Pet Sounds.

Shit's pretty black and white.

Pet Sounds being the winning color.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:50 am

big_dave wrote:Peppers. Not contest. Not even close. I like Pet Sounds OK, but sheesh, flawless? Those two worthless instrumentals? Mike Love's rewrite of "Hang On To Your Ego"? Pah.

Surf pop gone lounge versus one of the weirdest rock albums ever released.



dude, Sgt. Pepper is a weaker, diarrhehashed version of Smile.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Frank Decent on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:54 am

I've never heard either of these all the way through.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:58 am

big_dave wrote: They're not remotely the same as the Beatles.


In this you're correct, but...


The Smile demos had a vision, and as raw as they may have been, brian was the first and the best. they both wanted to achieve something great, Brian just did it better and did it first.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:10 am

big_dave wrote:
AnthonyVillalobos wrote:
big_dave wrote: They're not remotely the same as the Beatles.


In this you're correct, but...


The Smile demos had a vision, and as raw as they may have been, brian was the first and the best. they both wanted to achieve something great, Brian just did it better and did it first.


So this "better and first" idea that Brian Wilson has was to be "great"? Why didn't anyone else think of that?



because they weren't brian wilson.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby japmn on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:27 am

I love Pet Sounds but hate "Sloop John B"
Peppers is a great record and I don't really hate anything on it.
I still want to vote for Pet Sounds for "God only knows" blows away anything on Peppers.

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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Robert G on Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:01 am

japmn wrote:I love Pet Sounds but hate "Sloop John B"


Really? I really like "Sloop John B." A fantastically depressing, wonderfully arranged song.

This poll would make more sense if it was Smile vs. Sgt. Pepper's. That said I'm still voting for Pet Sounds. Why? It's a brilliant album that combines both pop and orchestral elements (without the need to be psychedelic). It's also incredibly emotional and in each song you have a narrator who has something to lose; the most obvious being "Caroline, No" but there's also "God Only Knows," "Sloop John B," "That's Not Me," etc.

Man, it'd be awesome if Mike Love didn't fuck with "Hang On To Your Ego."
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby fredrock on Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:14 am

japmn wrote:I love Pet Sounds but hate "Sloop John B"
Peppers is a great record and I don't really hate anything on it.
I still want to vote for Pet Sounds for "God only knows" blows away anything on Peppers.

PS

Agree totally and I truly can't choose between them. They're like Foo lions=equally powerful and never to be separated.

(As Peppers' is not my favorite Beatles, so Pet Sounds is #2 for me among Beach Boys albums--my fav (ready for brickbats) Holland
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby BClark on Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:23 am

pet sounds.

first off you can compare the best songs of each... "day in the life" is really good, but not as good as "god only knows."

or, you could compare the second best songs of each. "don't talk, put your head on my shoulder" is better than whatever one might consider to be the 2nd best song of peppers.

or, you can look at the fact that pet sounds has more good songs.

or, you can just look at the fact that pet sounds is the better album.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby placeholder on Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:19 pm

Sgt. Pepper, no contest. I think half of it is pretty great.

Pet Sounds doesn't do anything for me at all. I think "I Know There's An Answer"/"Hang On to Your Ego" is okay, but I couldn't care less about this record. Friends is an okay Beach Boys album by merit of it being batshit crazy, but I'd be fine never hearing this crap band again.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Adrian on Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:22 pm

Self-quoting from the SPLHCB Overrated? Thread:

Adrian wrote:Childish to Svenonius between two swigs of morning tea at The Blue Last: 'Sgt. Pepper's, far from being the greatest achievement of a rock band, is a reasonable rock band turning into a Vaudeville act.'

Quite.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Flaneur on Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:36 pm

Pepper, from the into guitar and drums to the last orchestra hit of "A Day in the Life."
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby zom-zom on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:18 pm

Not surprisingly, the infantile Milk-Drinkers choose the sickeningly syrupy and psychiatric disasters that the Beach Boys are over a band that actually rocked at several points in their career. While the Beatles at least showed that they had balls on and off over the years, the Beach Boys did nothing but play plinkity-plink watered-down fake-surf music wearing matching striped shirts and smiles and then rapidly descended into living in an ersatz woody on Crazy Man Beach. Lurid, saccharine harmonies, pathetic, disastrous and telling lyrics combined with mundane melodies and pustulent production resulted in some of the most horrible music imaginable. How anyone can "enjoy" listening to this sickening Californian cacaphony is beyond comprehension. And the title, "Pet Sounds". It conjures imagery of the most loathsome nature.

Barfff-Barfff-Barfff, Barf Barbara Ann. Just listen to the falsetto failures whining and screeching about girls, hot-rods and surfing, then progressing into yelping about the crazy shit surfacing in their weird heads. Ugh.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Ernest on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:38 pm

This is an easy thunderdome; Sgt. Pepper's beats Pet Sounds in a landslide. The Beach Boys were a terrible band, and no amount of musical revisionism will change that.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby fredrock on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:40 pm

big_dave wrote:
japmn wrote:"Sloop John B"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB09cky5Cek&feature=fvw

best version


I prefer Trader from Holland- more energetic+historical narrative
Think you'll enjoy--

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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby japmn on Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:46 pm

zom-zom wrote:Not surprisingly, the infantile Milk-Drinkers choose the sickeningly syrupy and psychiatric disasters that the Beach Boys are over a band that actually rocked at several points in their career.


We get it Zom, you prefer trucker speed to Valium. I won't touch milk, but let me have my syrup if you will.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby zom-zom on Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:47 pm

No, I prefer Rock to Schlock.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Isabelle Gall on Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:51 pm

Both albums have been reduced to a shorthand reference for a glockenspiel overdub by many a terrible band (string section=musical ambition) as well as having an entire industry seemingly dedicated to writing completely redundant articles about them, bewitched as they are by reissues of 60's albums by english speaking mainstream white rock/pop musicians. The supposed cultural and artistic significance of both is bloated beyond all meaningful comprehension.

I guess 'Smile' is going to be the big discussion point in this thread, to which i'll add that I still consider this to be very much an uncompleted project. If it had been completed and released back then all would be very different, one way or another.

However, 'Pet Sounds' by a mile. Not even close.
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Re: Thunderdome: Sgt. Pepper vs. Pet Sounds

Postby Pibroch on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:53 pm

Isabelle Gall wrote:I guess 'Smile' is going to be the big discussion point in this thread, to which i'll add that I still consider this to be very much an uncompleted project. If it had been completed and released back then all would be very different, one way or another.

However, 'Pet Sounds' by a mile. Not even close.


You didn't like the '04 finished SMiLE?

I love both albums, but Pet Sounds is much more cohesive to me, soundwise.
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