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Band: Steely Dan

Postby Dylan on Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:09 pm

Steely Dan - I say 'not crap'. The last album was bad ( but they tell me it will grow on me) but most of their stuff is very good. If all you know is "Peg", please don't vote crap.
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Postby spoot on Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:08 pm

I am a big fan, not of anything recent (which I haven't heard) but of all sorts of their old stuff. They have a "vibe" that rubs many people the wrong way, something I can understand - it's mellow jazzy rock, fer gosh sake!

Still, I can listen to & enjoy this band any time.

They also have entertaining tour journals, including a 1996 plea ("Dear Anne Heche") for higher-profile celebrities to start showing up backstage.
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Postby offal on Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:03 pm

Crap.

It's weird-- I only know a handful of their songs, but whenever I hear a few notes I can always tell it's them. They suck in a very specific way that rarely escapes my attention. Whenever I hear their music, I get depressed. There's something so soul-less about it, that it borders on creepy for me. What's even worse is that my girlfriend really likes them. I feel the same way about Steely Dan that Albini does about the Stones... I just dont get the appeal at all. Great musicians? Maybe, probably, whatever... but my god what dreadful songs.
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music for the dentist's chair

Postby mattw on Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:20 am

I just had a filling done today and it would've been nice to have some Steely Dan playing.

I'd say...overall...not crap. "Reeling in the Years" come on man!
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buncha damn musoes

Postby O H Lee on Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:14 pm

Like Xiu Xiu, Steely Dan's creepiness :) was drowned out by their muso precision :? Then again all I've heard by Steely Dan was on the radio
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Postby aaron on Sat May 29, 2004 3:33 pm

gaucho is one of my favorite records

they're great

not crap
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Postby Mayfair on Sat May 29, 2004 4:25 pm

I was never a Steely Dan fan. The closest I came was watching a great homage band called Project Dan many years ago... gave me insight into the songs and arrangements that I had never seen or heard due to the shiny, high gloss, waterproof production of the records.
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Postby Seaside Lounge on Sun May 30, 2004 1:00 am

Well, this is a close one so far.

Hopefully we can settle the score here at C/NC, making all future discussions about Steely Dan totally pointless. It's one of those things - either you get it or you don't. But if you don't get it you are missing out on some really NOT CRAP music and you should pick up a copy of Pretzel Logic. It's usually only a dollar.

What great lyrics those gentlemen wrote.

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Postby toomanyhelicopters on Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:58 am

i'd give them a not crap for Your Gold Teeth II alone. one of my earliest memories from childhood is hearing, and loving, the song Black Friday. granted i was a little disappointed when, as a big steely dan fan in college, i found out they're named after a dildo. they definitely have a creepy factor going on. i'm still pretty convinced ricky (the one who fagan hopes won't lose his number) is a doude. but i definitely enjoy a lot of their songs, with Katy Lied and Aja standing out as albums i rather enjoy. and King Of The World, i think that's an untouchably great song, music-wise anyways.
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Postby Dylan on Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:09 am

Mayfair wrote:I was never a Steely Dan fan. The closest I came was watching a great homage band called Project Dan many years ago... gave me insight into the songs and arrangements that I hade never seen or heard due to the shiny, high gloss, waterproof production of the records.


Awwww, quit it....
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Postby Mayfair on Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:29 am

Dylan wrote:
Mayfair wrote:I was never a Steely Dan fan. The closest I came was watching a great homage band called Project Dan many years ago... gave me insight into the songs and arrangements that I hade never seen or heard due to the shiny, high gloss, waterproof production of the records.


Awwww, quit it....


True story!
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Postby Angus Jung on Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:43 pm

"Rikki Don't Lose That Number"- they're telling Rikki not to lose that joint (you know, "roll a number"). A great many Steely Dan songs are drug-related, most of them harsher than "Rikki." "Time Out Of Mind" is about a heroin addict, for instance.

I think of Steely Dan as an incredibly successful conceptual art project, maybe the most successful one ever. They purposefully utilize robotically perfect, smooth, mostly bland musical arrangements in the service of their cryptic, often clearly vicious, misanthropic lyrics. Their sinister messages have sunk into millions of people (including/especially our parents) subliminally through the shiny surfaces of their songs, not just on the radio/stereo, but in airports, department stores, dentists offices, etc.

I've heard the Donald Fagen solo song "I.G.Y" a million times on Muzak. He has that chorus ("what a beautiful world this will be/what a glorious time to be free") which is all anybody takes from the song, but the actual lyrics are a totally angry, sarcastic satire on the bullshit promises of technology and futurism.

Brilliant. N/C
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Postby kerble on Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:53 pm

Oh man...
So NOT CRAP.

Playing porno on tv's in the studio while recording to get that seedy feel:
NOT CRAP.
General misanthropic tendencies/Creepy as all hell:
NOT CRAP.
Fagen looks like a vampire:
NOT CRAP.
James Brown like musical Fascism while recording:
NOT CRAP.
The fact that about 50% of the population's skin crawls about the Dan:
NOT CRAP.

They've written some crap songs and they seem like assholes (which makes me like em more), but a friend of mine told me a story about how his dad was in a band that played with the Dan once. Here's how it went down.

Friend's Dad: "Hey."
D. Fagen: "You guys must really practice a lot."

Awesome.

Oh yeah and Fagen's acceptance speech for the grammy for that shitty 2 against nature album, went along the lines of:

D. Fagen: "Thanks."
Also awesome.

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Postby same on Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:26 pm

i like the album art for katy lied.
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Postby Seaside Lounge on Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:26 am

same wrote:i like the album art for katy lied.


Yeah, that's a nice one.
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Postby Dylan on Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:23 am

same wrote:i like the album art for katy lied.


Part of the appeal is the frozen negative. A good trick!
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Postby aaron on Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:21 pm

Angus Jung wrote:"Rikki Don't Lose That Number"- they're telling Rikki not to lose that joint (you know, "roll a number"). A great many Steely Dan songs are drug-related, most of them harsher than "Rikki." "Time Out Of Mind" is about a heroin addict, for instance.


i heard a Muzak version of "time out of mind" at the dentist's once. what a great song. that whole record is perfect from start to finish.

yours is a good characterization of the Dan. i agree: they use their innocuous bar rock to slip all that fucked up shit under your door. a close if unlikely parallel, i'd say, would be Devo (who actually made Muzak versions of their own songs before anyone else could).
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Postby Redline on Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:55 pm

I always thought Rikki Don't Lose That Number was about homosexual men.
I liked Steely Dan because half the time you didn't know what the hell they were singing about.
Oh well, I listened to Pretzel Logic allot.

Hmmm, they did waste many good drummers with bad drum sounds.

Asia and Can't Buy A Thrill are good, though...

Ok, not crap. I need some syrup for these waffles over here!


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Postby toomanyhelicopters on Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:19 pm

it was wonderful, i just heard rikki... on the radio on the way home from work today. man, it is *definitely* about enticing a guy into a little gay lovin. there's a verse that's kinda a dead giveaway, to me anyways, with lyrics that involve the expression "slow hand" and "play games"

check this shit out...

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Rikki Don't Lose That Number
( Steely Dan )

We hear you're leaving, that's ok
I thought our little wild time had just begun
I guess you kind of scared yourself, you turn and run
But if you have a change of heart

Rikki, don't lose that number
You don't wanna call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself
Rikki, don't lose that number
It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better
When you get home

I have a friend in town, he's heard your name
We can go out driving on Slow Hand Row
We could stay inside and play games, I don't know
And you could have a change of heart

Rikki, don't lose that number
You don't wanna call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself
Rikki, don't lose that number
It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better
When you get home

[break]

You tell yourself you're not my kind
But you don't even know your mind
And you could have a change of heart

Rikki, don't lose that number
You don't wanna call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself
Rikki, don't lose that number
It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better
When you get home

Rikki, don't lose that number
(Rikki, don't lose that number)
Rikki, don't lose that number

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man, that second verse is like the gayest thing i've ever heard!
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Postby STF on Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:01 am

A friend of mine, my roommate, whose opinion I respect, swears by Steely Dan. Basically, he says that conceptually they're similar to Pavement, but better. We've come home late at night, after the bars have closed, and he's done a big Steely Dan presentation. We listen to Greatest Hits; we discuss. I can never get into it. I like Pavement. What can I say? They seem more of our time. Though they haven't aged well with me. Steely Dan has fared worse.

Musically, they remind me of Sea and Cake. They're probably better than Sea and Cake. I enjoy that band as much as anyone who's spent the 90s in Chicago; but I never connected with them.

I don't know. People have made compelling arguments for SD. I'll listen again. But, for now, I vote CRAP; with a high waffle factor.
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