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Postby Jodi S. on Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:54 am

Her underlying message is a good one, I think. Asking for help is really difficult, and there shouldn't be a stigma attached to it.

The way she's applied the message, though, seems pretty distasteful to me. If you were to go by this talk, you'd think she never did anything for herself (like coughing up for a hotel room, to name one thing) and for people like us, who bust their asses daily to be able to play a week's worth of shows somewhere, this smacks of hornswoggle.

I think the stuff the PRF folks have organized/made happen is a better application of this message.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby Marsupialized on Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:58 am

holmes wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


If that is true, he earned that money fair and square and without ripping anybody off. I actually think it's awesome if he's worth that much.


Pretty sure that's not true
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Postby Tom on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:28 am

Marsupialized wrote:
holmes wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


If that is true, he earned that money fair and square and without ripping anybody off. I actually think it's awesome if he's worth that much.


Pretty sure that's not true


What, you don't think that Fugazi sold 2.5 million albums they didn't pay a dime to make and that record stores were more than happy to pay them full retail? And that Ian kept all the money?

I think this is a completely reasonable scenario.

That reminds me of the time a co-worker told me very authoritatively that there were approximately 300 million gas stations in the united states.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby Andrew. on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:43 am

Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


Advantage sobriety.

I tapped out of the TED thing when she starting talking about an undocumented family taking the couch and floor to give her their bed.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby Marsupialized on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:47 am

Do you HAVE to wear the hands free douche mic when you do one of those? Is it an essential part of the whole thing or can you use a regular mic like a real human being?
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Postby dabrasha on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:51 am

You can't make those important hypnotic TED gestures with your hands if you hold a real mic.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby lemur68 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:13 pm

Tom wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:
holmes wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


If that is true, he earned that money fair and square and without ripping anybody off. I actually think it's awesome if he's worth that much.


Pretty sure that's not true


What, you don't think that Fugazi sold 2.5 million albums they didn't pay a dime to make and that record stores were more than happy to pay them full retail? And that Ian kept all the money?

I think this is a completely reasonable scenario.

That reminds me of the time a co-worker told me very authoritatively that there were approximately 300 million gas stations in the united states.


He owns Dischord, right? That probably accounts for most of it. Remember net worth is assets minus liabilities, I don't think they're saying Ian has 25 million bucks in his checking account.
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Postby Ptommydski on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:16 pm

There is literally no way Fugazi didn't split their money four ways.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby madlee on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:19 pm

Andrew. wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


Advantage sobriety.

I tapped out of the TED thing when she starting talking about an undocumented family taking the couch and floor to give her their bed.


You missed the zinger where she says she felt that it was an even swap.

The problem with crowd sourcing music is that it becomes the province of people with disposable incomes, essentially a lowest common denominator.
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Postby BadComrade on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:17 pm

Marsupialized wrote:Do you HAVE to wear the hands free douche mic when you do one of those? Is it an essential part of the whole thing or can you use a regular mic like a real human being?


Nope:



(He starts speaking English at the :53 second mark)
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby tallchris on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:20 pm

I wonder if that $25M is taking into account what the catalog itself is worth? I mean, Ian could start licensing Minor Threat and Fugazi songs, or sell the catalog to Universal and probably make a hefty chunk of change. But no way he'd ACTUALLY do that.
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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby Boombats on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:40 pm

tallchris wrote:I wonder if that $25M is taking into account what the catalog itself is worth? I mean, Ian could start licensing Minor Threat and Fugazi songs, or sell the catalog to Universal and probably make a hefty chunk of change. But no way he'd ACTUALLY do that.

It's partly that, and it's also the holdings he has in defense patents and contracting companies. He's not just in DC for the music scene.
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Postby lemur68 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:42 pm

Boombats wrote:
tallchris wrote:I wonder if that $25M is taking into account what the catalog itself is worth? I mean, Ian could start licensing Minor Threat and Fugazi songs, or sell the catalog to Universal and probably make a hefty chunk of change. But no way he'd ACTUALLY do that.

It's partly that, and it's also the holdings he has in defense patents and contracting companies. He's not just in DC for the music scene.


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Postby DanH on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:48 pm

I would link some pictures here, but I'm on the mobile device. She reminds me of the guy from queensryche. I have to agree with whoever said:

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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby eliya on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:13 pm

Jodi S. wrote:Her underlying message is a good one, I think. Asking for help is really difficult, and there shouldn't be a stigma attached to it.

The way she's applied the message, though, seems pretty distasteful to me. If you were to go by this talk, you'd think she never did anything for herself (like coughing up for a hotel room, to name one thing) and for people like us, who bust their asses daily to be able to play a week's worth of shows somewhere, this smacks of hornswoggle.

I think the stuff the PRF folks have organized/made happen is a better application of this message.


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Postby jimmy two hands on Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:33 am

madlee wrote:
Andrew. wrote:
Marsupialized wrote:I have a perfect solution. She could just ask Ian Mackaye for the money from now on

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/musician/ian-mackaye-net-worth/


Advantage sobriety.

I tapped out of the TED thing when she starting talking about an undocumented family taking the couch and floor to give her their bed.


You missed the zinger where she says she felt that it was an even swap.


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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

Postby Bernardo on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:15 am

I was really ready to hate the TED talk thing, but there are some decent points mixed with the gross having-our-hosts-sleep-on-the-couch stuff. The 25k album copies vs 25k kickstarter backers thing was a good one.
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Postby Colonel Panic on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:17 am

Bernardo wrote:I was really ready to hate the TED talk thing, but there are some decent points mixed with the gross having-our-hosts-sleep-on-the-couch stuff. The 25k album copies vs 25k kickstarter backers thing was a good one.

I couldn't get past the introduction.
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Postby Bernardo on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:22 am

Colonel Panic wrote:I couldn't get past the introduction.


I'll spare you: in the first half she mentions how selling 25 thousand records was considered a failure and got her band dropped by their label, and later she points out the 1.2 million dollars raised on kickstarter equals roughly 25 thousand backers.
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