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crap or not crap

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Postby yut on Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:40 pm

Ok... First, the Edge is not a good guitar player at all. He's been doing the same schtick for decades with the delay and stuff. Anyone can pick up a guitar and listen to a U2 album, and quickly figure out what he's doing and reproduce it... Try doing that with John Petrucci's work!

I'm not sure who came first... I know IQ and Marillion were playing around the time of U2 (they were contemporaries, definately), and did the delay schtick before the Edge was doing it. If you've heard the first U2 albums, they're very organic, and don't make much use of effects. I don't think the Edge's use of a delay pedal and distortion is original or groundbreaking.

U2 are OK. I like them better after I saw the 60 minutes story on them. The fact that they don't go around with an entourage or body guards is really cool. The fact that Bono does so many good things is great.

Also, their drummer admitted he's not a good drummer at all. Their bass player said the same thing. Ed Bradley did make a big deal out of the Edge and all his neato, cutting edge effects. Yeah, I guess delay is a pretty far out effect.

U2's music is crap. They jump on every trend and put the hip-hop drums in. I was listening to Achtung Baby over xmas (my brother put it in...) and it reminded me of The Happy Mondays. "Mysterious Ways" (or whatever that one is called) is such a late 80's Madchester rave rip-off.

U2 consistently absorb musical trends that are already years old by the time they incorporate them.

The only not crap things about U2 are that they do some decent philanthropic things, and they seem pretty much down to earth for people who are in an extremely successful Top 40 rock band. Their music is a reflection of 3 year old trends... They aren't that talented (at least their drummer and bass player admit it)

But it doesn't take talent to be a successful Top 40 artist. In fact, talent is detrimental to this goal. U2 have an incredible PR machine. Period.
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Postby stephensolo on Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:27 pm

i disagree about your assessment of the edge as a guitarist. you are assuming that because he uses delay in many of their songs, and because it is a signature sound of his, that when i heralded his playing i was doing so because of that effect. incorrect assumption.

also, the fact that i can listen to steve jones' guitar parts and figure out what he is doing, and then reproduce it, does not make him a bad guitar player. he may be one of the greatest and/or most influential guitar players in the history of rock 'n roll. chuck berry, keith richards and buddy holly also wrote and played very easily reproducible guitar parts. the edge isn't as easily copied as any of these guitarists, and yet he isn't nearly as good as they were, so your connection of quality to lack of accessability is dubious.
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Postby Lemuel Gulliver on Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:08 pm

I had an idea when this last album came out that U2 could do two things that would really hit it big. You know, bring them into that next level:

(1) A video game. It'd be a roll-playing game, sort of a cross between the Sims, a strategy, and an action game all at once. You begin by picking a band member to be. You walk through the band's career, and you learn to play your instrument (either by keyboard, or perhaps some other interface they could sell for $75), and play U2 hits along the way. You can also write your own music. Then, you have to invent new themes for each tour. You could play every show in the tour, and your success is based on how well you play your instrument. Or, just like a season of MLB '05, you can choose to simulate certain shows. As you go along, you are awarded some sort of karma points, and if you get enough of them, eventually you save the world, end hunger, war, and bring eternal peace to mankind.

(2) Franchising: Every show sells out in like 4 minutes. They could sell off franchises. You get 4 guys to invest for a set fee. They go to Dublin for a 2 week U2 bootcamp where they learn all the songs, and get outfitted with sunglasses, leather pants, high-heeled boots, and a beanie hat. Then they can go home and play "U2(2)" shows. U2 gets a percentage and an annual fee.

Maybe that's all harsh. I like their early stuff, and I can't imagine what my life would be like if I hadn't listened to them so much through junior high and into high school. Everything after Achtung Baby is shit. "Beautiful Day"? WTF? They're a dour band. Remember when they couldn't find what they were looking for, with or without you, on that Sunday, Bloody Sunday, etc.

As for saving the world, I have full confidence that Bono isn't in this for cynical purposes. Enough people buy their $40 tshirts and CDs. [And I'd suspect a percentage of that goes to charity.] What I find more compelling is that in his quest for debt and AIDS relief for Africa, he's got the cajones to come from the left, sit down with guys like Jesse Helms, and George W. and say "this is what I need, when can you give it to me," and he gets it. About a year ago (?) I read a Rolling Stone interview with him and he was talking about all the shit he took because he publicly praised Bush for this. He got, like $10 billion more than they'd ever gotten. This is not crap. This is good politics.

I honestly don't remember if I voted crap or not in general. OK.

Crap WF 8.

Edit: Spelling.
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Postby M_a_x on Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:30 pm

I was talking to my friend about U2 the other day. This is what he said:

"I remember when their first record came out and everyone was saying it was like Joy Division. So I picked it up. It indeed had a lot of the same elements as Joy Division, but put together in the gayest manner possible."

Anyway, I hate U2.
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Postby alex maiolo on Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:40 pm

I don't get this band. When I was in high school, I tried, since I was into "alternative music" by most people's estimation.

I remember the guitar magazines blabbing about the Edge. The genius of his playing. I thought "great, he knows what a delay is."
I cut him some slack, because he had his own style.
So I thought.
Years later I heard Steve Fellows of the Comsat Angels and Adrian Borland of The Sound.
The Edge, busted.
Does he pay these guys royalties?

Adam Clayton is the Dan Quayle of rock - right place at the right time. You'd think by now he would run with the idea of *playing bass guitar* since it's his job and all. I guess he deserves a pat on the head for making loads of cash by only playing root notes.

They are far from the worst thing out there. They are a band that got successful by playing their own music. Cool.
What I don't get is HOW the hell they got so big. They are boring.

Because of that, I say CRAP.
Because they are just doing what they are doing and the public is buying it, I say W/F 8

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Postby Earwicker on Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:14 am


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I, er, quite like U2.

Though i do think it's about time they grew up a bit.
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Postby rocker654 on Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:26 pm

I voted Not Crap, because I saw them in '81, enjoyed "New Year's Day" and "Pride".

They have become insufferable in the time since, but what can you do except vote against the overwhelming numbers who voted them CRAP?
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Postby Eksvplot on Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:00 am

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Postby Adam CR on Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:24 am

I don't own any U2 records, but I usually quite like 'em when I encounter 'em on the radio/TV.

Bono is the easily best traditional contemporary rock and roll singer. He is a magnificent singer. I think a great deal of this comes down to his ego, but it serves him well.

I reckon I could make a fair stab at any U2 song on the guitar after one listen, but I wouldn't assume that The Edge plays the way he does because he's inept (although this may have been the case when they started). Stating that simple guitar parts are necessarily indicative of poor technique is a rather daft position in my opinion.

The drummer always seems to have put a great deal of thought into his parts; I reckon you could name a fair number of U2 tracks by drums alone.

I actually prefer U2's recent output to their older (more fashionable) stuff.

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Postby Devin D. Dixon on Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:56 am

U2 is kind of remarkable to me, because it is one of two bands that are so singularly unremarkable that I can't even be bothered to have an opinion of them.

That their blandly competent, almost-rockin' songs are so meaningful to some, but so reviled by others, is a phenomenon that I just can't fathom.

It's not that I fail to either like or dislike U2, it's just that most of the time I hear them, I don't even recognize their songs as actual sound coming from the speakers. It's so singularly unaffecting to me that it might as well not even be there.

And I do recognize that Bono is a pretty good singer and Edge is a pretty good guitar player and they even have some songs that, had they been played by probably any other band in the world, might inspire a tepid NOT CRAP from me, but still: I just can't bring myself to give a shit.

The only other band that can inspire this kind of ambivelance in me? Steeley Dan.

It just occured to me that perhaps, like Buddha, or the symbol of the yin and yang, U2 and Steeley Dan are the living embodiment of CRAP and NOT CRAP existing simultaneously, harmoniously, floating on a lotus petal, blissfully detatched, yet One with All. And I'm just too unenlightened to know it.

If Kerble were to add a "Tao Te Ching" option to the poll, I'd consider voting for it.
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Postby cwiko on Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:41 am

Excepting 'Sunday, Bloody Sunday' & 'Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me'- or whatever the fuck order those words are supposed to be in- Crap.
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Postby octave spectrum on Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:43 pm

A band that has always tried too hard and never been quite right. How did they beat the Bunnymen in the '80s pop wars? Who cares anyway - CRAP.
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Postby Adam CR on Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:13 pm

octave spectrum wrote:A band that has always tried too hard and never been quite right. How did they beat the Bunnymen in the '80s pop wars? Who cares anyway - CRAP.

How can you 'try too hard'? What does 'try too hard' mean?
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Postby octave spectrum on Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:01 pm

'Try too hard'?

You know, like Dave Stewart from the Eurythmics, or INXS, Cliff Richard or something -

-clumping about the stage trying very very hard to be the coolest, the most rockingest, but just not having that proper spark of musical charisma that would make them seem like a real band.

They've always been like that.
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Postby Antero on Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:56 am

-U2 trying to do good things, help the poor, stop AIDS, etc: Not Crap

-U2 getting involved with stupid shit like those iPod commercials: Crap.

-U2's music: Used to be okay, but they've just been sucking massive ass for a while.
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Postby tommydski on Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:10 am

i really like the expression "sucking massive ass for a while".

it conjours a majesty of images.
like someone has really dug their heels in and said to his compatriots, "this is a massive ass and if we have to suck it all weekend you can be damn sure we will still be here on monday morning".

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Postby Rimbaud III on Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:05 am

Adam CR wrote:How can you 'try too hard'?

One word: haemorrhoids.
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Postby Sebastian J. on Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:58 pm

Hi. Im just here to take a crap
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Postby 242sumner on Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:40 pm

octave spectrum wrote:A band that has always tried too hard and never been quite right. How did they beat the Bunnymen in the '80s pop wars? Who cares anyway - CRAP.

Yeah! Bono tries too hard and fails miserably to imitate Ian Curtis.
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Postby CJMcG on Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:51 pm

Redline wrote:Fuck U2...The only reason "I will Follow" is ok is the Edge stole Keith Levene's mojo...
Holy Shit.
I can't believe I never caught on to that.
That is exactly why that song is good.
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