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Steely Dan

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Postby mackro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:08 pm

going way back to kerble's comment, I used to hate Steely Dan as a kid, but definitely got into them in the past few years, and reversed that.

I grew up only hearing Steely Dan as the butt of musical jokes by stand up comedians on TV in the 80s. After Gaucho, it seems they were at the apex of a critical backlash circa early to mid 80s, which is right around when I started turning left and right looking for bands to check out as a kid.

before moving from Orange County, I knew a goth girl whose parents named here Aja. She HATED Steely Dan passionately for this reason alone.
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Postby mackro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:09 pm

And that letter to Luke Wilson is brilliant.. the PPS is the final KO.

The liner notes to the reissues are fucking evil and hence great.
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Postby alex maiolo on Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:42 pm

Angus Jung wrote:"Rikki Don't Lose That Number"- they're telling Rikki not to lose that joint (you know, "roll a number"). A great many Steely Dan songs are drug-related, most of them harsher than "Rikki." "Time Out Of Mind" is about a heroin addict, for instance.


I was in a country hardware store that was playing muzak quietly. A middle aged woman digging through a pile of light switch covers was humming along to Kid Charlamagne, which was being piped in. It was around lunch time and she was in a her church clothes.

It dawned on me that the verse she was humming was
"Clean this mess up else we'll all end up in jail
Those test tubes and the scale
Just get them all out of here
Is there gas in the car
Yes, there's gas in the car
I think the people down the hall
Know who you are"

The woman in her Sunday best was humming along to a story about a coke dealer.


I've heard the Donald Fagen solo song "I.G.Y" a million times on Muzak. He has that chorus ("what a beautiful world this will be/what a glorious time to be free") which is all anybody takes from the song, but the actual lyrics are a totally angry, sarcastic satire on the bullshit promises of technology and futurism.


Yeah, I picked that up. It's sarcastic as hell.
What do expect from a man who named his band after a dildo? That's the sneaky, subversive thing they seem to have going on. It's very "California" to me.

I'm barely going NC on these guys because they really can get on my tit. I agree that King of the World is a good song as well, plus maybe five other songs. That's it though.

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Postby Maurice on Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:08 pm

alex maiolo wrote:The woman in her Sunday best was humming along to a story about a coke dealer.

Even better: the song's about Owsley.
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Postby alex maiolo on Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:19 pm

Maurice wrote:
alex maiolo wrote:The woman in her Sunday best was humming along to a story about a coke dealer.

Even better: the song's about Owsley.


Really?
Wow, I can see it with the test tubes, which can be used in all sorts of drug dealing/making applications, but I always associate scales with pot or coke. Plus, it was that time in California. Post-LSD and very much the snowy years.

Makes sense though. Thanks for the trivia.

OK, *ahem*,
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Postby kerble on Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:26 pm

alpha80 wrote::shock: WTF is all this skitzo pedophile talk... :? :shock: :lol:


Steely Dan's "Everyone' Gone to the Movies"
A song about a guy who shows dirty movies in his den on his own old movie projector to kids. Key Lines "Soon it will be to late..bobbing for apples can wait. I know you're used to 16 or more, sorry we only have 8" That last line is a reference to the size of the film, 16mm or larger would be a pro film...8mm is amateur. The song sounds happy and upbeat, but this hides the character's seedy hobby.


Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been
CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last

Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine



so creepy.
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Postby mega therion on Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:42 am

I left my parents' house for a reason. Steely Dan is crap.

No, this song is about chomos! No, it's about gay sex! No, it's about drugs! No, it's about Clapton! Spare me. They could sing Brainbombs lyrics and I'd still abhor them.
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Postby ctrl-s on Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:56 am

If there has to be mellow jazzy rock, I suppose I'm glad that some of it is clever and sleazy and subversive and all that. Still, it is mellow jazzy rock, and I cannot listen to mellow jazzy rock. Crap.
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Postby thyklopth on Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:57 am

I think one of the reasons for the loathing of The Dan is exposure. It's the millons of hours society has been subjected to it at their jobs, in the dentists office, at the Home Depot- which ironically enough hasn't really worked in favor of their popularity. On this point I think they share an unlikely bedfellow with Pink Floyd. Both bands rose to platinum on the shoulders of a few radio hits which replayed to the point of nausea and established a very, very narrow perspective of their work.

As for their music- I don't really think anyone else ever had top 40 hits using fruitcake-thick jazz voicings to the extent
that they did, besides Stevie. That's no minor accomplishment.

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Postby zom-zom on Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 am

Perfect gin 'n tonic, brass 'n glass 'n moustache tunes.

Love the Steely Dan.
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Postby keegan monaghan on Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:46 am

Steely Dan is great. Donlad fagen sat behind me in an airplane once and I was way too scared to look at him.
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Postby kerble on Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:07 am

what other band sounds like Steely Dan? None that I can think of.
Anyone else?
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Postby itchy mcgoo on Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:29 am

kerble wrote:what other band sounds like Steely Dan? None that I can think of.


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Postby mackro on Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:20 pm

kerble wrote:what other band sounds like Steely Dan? None that I can think of.
Anyone else?


There are lots of anonymous biz jazz groups that try to sound like them... but never come close.
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Postby mackro on Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:22 pm

the closest any band has come to sounding like Steely Dan was hearing Minutemen's cover of "Doctor Wu", and that's really saying something.
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Postby trilonaut on Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:48 pm

i met walter becker at a whole foods in new york. monumental. i talked to him about how it's apparently impossible to spend any time at music school and not come out liking steely dan, even if you didn't like music school.
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Re: Rikki / Clapton / Heroin

Postby Isabelle Gall on Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:12 pm

cymbaliner wrote: Those who know, they know.


Ding ding ding ding.
Please go back and re-read the wise words of kerble, aaron and Mr Chimp if you do not know. They know.
Many years ago, I went to a used record shop and bought a copy of 'Half Machine Lip Moves' by Chrome on Siren. The guy at the counter told me that he thought it was what the aliens from John Carpenter's 'Starman' (i've never seen this, sorry) would sound like if they decided to form a rock band to 'fit in'. Surely they would sound more like Steely Dan though, no? I have a hunch, and that's all it is, apologies in advance if it causes anyone on this board to shit their tights, that a lot of Steely Dan haters would genuinely consider stuff like Wolf Eyes and Sun City Girls to be subversive.
Besides, it's really fucking hot right now. What else could be more perfect to listen to when it's really fucking hot?
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Postby bigc on Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:06 pm

This band sits atop the shittiest bands who get 'props' of all time.

Depeche Mode
The B52s
Steely Dan

They sound like all cotton Dockers, wine spritzers, sportcoats and Mazda Miatas.

Fuck them. 100% CRAP. Waffles only so they can put poofter whipped cream and strawberries on them.
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Postby bigc on Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:18 pm

And fuck this whole idea that their CRAP music is somehow NOT CRAP because they sing about 'subversive' topics.

Does that make Poison good?

Here, I'll record me ripping a 10 minute vanilla fart and sing euphemisms for meth crazed butt sex and y'all buy my records, OK? I'll even play porn on the TV while I do it to get the 'seedy' feel.
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Postby kerble on Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:23 pm

I don't think their music is crap. I'd assume many of the people that voted 'NC' feel the same way. There is absolutely no irony in my enjoyment of music ever. I have no respect for people who enjoy music ironically.

I think some of their melodies and phrasings are downright beautiful. the verses for Boston Rag are gorgeous (the chorus does suck ass, though). They write great pop songs.
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